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Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« on: March 15, 2020, 06:54:45 PM »
Now that we have contacted our first transfer free agent, I guess it is time to start PPU's "Transfer Free Agency" thread.
For those that know how this goes, we all contribute to this list.
If you see something, post it in here, the thread will be updated promptly.
Here we go!!

Position/Name/Previous School/New School
G - Terrell Brown (Seattle - Arizona)
C - Matt Haarms (Purdue)
G - Nate Johnson (Gardner-Webb - Xavier)
G - Carlik Jones (Radford - Louisville)
F - Johnny Juzang (Kentucky - UCLA)
G - Charles Minlend (San Francisco - Louisville)
G/F - Landers Nolley II (Virginia Tech)
G - Mike Smith (Columbia - Michigan)
G - Erik Stevenson (Wichita State - Washington)
G - Trey Wertz (Santa Clara - Notre Dame)
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2020, 04:11:02 PM »
Canít the two Shockers just combine into one solid player?

Stevenson shoots waaaay too often from beyond the arc...but he is the farm better defender. Based on his quote, heíd never get along with Miller because he similarly pulls players for stupid mistakes.

Burton seems like a nice option unless they plan to play together. Will be interesting to see where both kids land.


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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2020, 08:39:11 PM »
Article on why Erik Stevenson is transferring from Wichita State. 

https://www-1.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article241187251.html#

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2020, 11:59:37 PM »
I'm just a bit cautious when adding so many transfers. Especially at the same time. Most are either set in their ways and not going to buy into new coaching. Once in a while you get a TJ McConnell who shines, but the rest typically leave a lot to be desired. Hopefully some of our core returns and we can add 1 more piece besides Akinjo and Jordan Brown.

Nico, Green, Dalen, Zeke, Jordan Brown would be nice
Akinjo, B Will, Baker, Lee, Koloko, and another transfer with Mathurian red shirting would be great.

A guy can dream.

Akinjo, Walton, Dalen, Zhaire, Jordan Brown
Baker, B Will, Lee, Koloko, Mathurian, and a couple more transfers would be ok too. Or JT Thor

Otherwise we are most likely looking at another year of PPU complaining lol. Its just too much player turnover to overcome in the immediate until the NCAA stuff is fully behind us.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2020, 12:04:08 AM »
In the normal universe it feels like the roster will look something like

Akinjo, B Will, Dalen, Ira, Jordan Brown
Baker, Koloko, Mathurian?

I wonder if Mathurian is sort of like an Akot " :-\\  "

We really could use at least 1 of Walton/Zhaire.

No coach would be able to do too much with this scenario unfortunately if we can't land another chip.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2020, 03:29:54 AM »
Marshall knows basketball, possibly better then any other D-1 coach. He has one of the worst abilities to handle people. Media, players, fans and alumni have always had personal issues but they seem to get over it because heís a winner.

Stevenson is a decent player that will help a school. I wouldnít be upset if itís Arizona.

Iím definitely sick of treating college basketball transfers like free agents. I miss the old days of 3-4 year seniors coming in and out of Tucson where we can grow to love them.

We are about to graduate guys like Dylan, Max, Chase and Stone...all guys that committed elsewhere out of high school. I donít have the same love for them as I did for guys like Zeus, Ristic, PJC, etc.

Maybe Iím just getting old and bitter...

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2020, 05:52:16 AM »
The transfer rate has gone up because of the notion that the prospects believe that their situation is bad and they need to find better.
For every prospect that has left, there is a story for a prospect that stayed and blossomed, and one that stayed and did not pan out.
The point is simple, there are too many variables at play that will contribute to a situation working out for the prospect AND the coaching staff.

Too many prospects are trying the "right fit" for them and may never find it.
For the grad-transfers, I look at them leaving like the seasoned veteran on a terrible team that just wants to go out on a winning team that has a chance to win conference championship(s) and maybe a decent shot at a Final Four.
In the end, college basketball has become more of a business than a learning/teaching experience.
I am all for the players trying to take control of their future, even if that means they make the wrong decision.
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2020, 10:43:21 AM »
In the normal universe it feels like the roster will look something like

Akinjo, B Will, Dalen, Ira, Jordan Brown
Baker, Koloko, Mathurian?

I wonder if Mathurian is sort of like an Akot " :-\\  "

We really could use at least 1 of Walton/Zhaire.

No coach would be able to do too much with this scenario unfortunately if we can't land another chip.
Just a heads up Bennedict Mathurin has been impressing a lot of people and sounds like he is a legit prospect.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2020, 02:17:06 PM »
In the normal universe it feels like the roster will look something like

Akinjo, B Will, Dalen, Ira, Jordan Brown
Baker, Koloko, Mathurian?

I wonder if Mathurian is sort of like an Akot " :-\\  "

We really could use at least 1 of Walton/Zhaire.

No coach would be able to do too much with this scenario unfortunately if we can't land another chip.
Just a heads up Bennedict Mathurin has been impressing a lot of people and sounds like he is a legit prospect.

That's great! Miller found 3 star Koloko who looks to be the type who will dominate the college scene with some more seasoning over these next 3 years. Hopefully Benny Math keeps his upward trajectory!

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2020, 04:47:43 PM »
Yes, remember CSM built success from blue collar type players and yet has struggled a lot with big time players. Lute did the same thing in many aspects. Many first round losses. Problems with players that thought they were too good to be coached. Lute made many adjustments along the way. CSM will have to adjust to find real success. Some here are calling for more 3 and 4 year players. I would argue for the 5 year players that are willing to spend time learning and getting their degrees while doing it. Edgerson is a guy that I still think very highly of. Loved his effort and energy.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2020, 05:21:52 PM »
We have a Edgerson type... his name is Ira Lee. We need more shooters and scorers. Lee wonít even start as a senior. I love his energy and passion but I donít want him shooting free throws in a close game late and heís not going to get you 20 pts

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2020, 05:55:43 PM »
Some here are calling for more 3 and 4 year players. I would argue for the 5 year players that are willing to spend time learning and getting their degrees while doing it.
I am more in favor of the 3-4 year players, then you can add an elite freshmen that can put us over the top when surrounded by experienced, veterans that have been in the system long enough to just let the HS kid play his game.

Aaron Gordon and Stanley Johnson are two examples of what I am referring to.
They came in and were surrounded by so much talent/experience and role players, CSM allowed them to play their game and make mistakes as the season went on.
This Duke/Kentucky thing that Miller is trying to do has proven is not going to work here at Arizona.
I commend him for trying, but the blueprint he used from the 2011-2014 recruiting classes are what I would like to see.
It was in 2015 when we signed that class headlined by Trier that you could see Miller trying to tweak the blueprint.
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2020, 01:05:13 AM »
Guys like Solomon Hill, Derrick Williams, Brandon Ashley, RHJ, Trier, Rawle, etc could have all went pro after their first year's with Miller. They all stayed and it helped create a "core" like what was mentioned above where adding Aaron Gordon or Stan Johnson helped the "Team" get to the Elite 8 and such.

This was something that was brewing again when Lauri, Trier, Rawle came in surrounded with Deuce Ristic, PJC and such. Then Ayton was brought in. The PEDs with Trier, Injury to Rawle, and FBI stuff really derailed that next wave of a TJ, RHJ, Brandon Ashley, Gordon/Stan, Zews type Core Run.

The fallout came hard. It took Miller 1 year to get his greatest class ever in Nico, Green, Zeke, and Terry Armstrong. First Terry doesn't qualify (much like long forgotten Terrence Ferguson), then Brandon Williams goes down injured again. More happenstance. More circumstance. Miller makes his plans. He then has to adjust with not much time.

The result is a season where we were a couple horrible calls and missed Free Throws away from another Pac12 title and a whole bunch of "what coulda been that we will never truly know" with a team that looked locked in vs a heavy talented Washington squad in a bad blood game in Vegas.

I will admit there has been a lot of heartbreaking losses. A few buckets away from 3 final 4s. Being an Arizona Basketball fan has been tough ever since Lute Olson lost the ~15pt lead with ~3:30 to go vs Deron Williams and Illinois back in 2005. This really is just a lot of bad luck. A lot of legendary performances by opponents. A lot of GOOD coaching from Miller that just looks bad because its easier to remember losses than wins. Almost every "down year" people mention have either a Pac12 championship banner hanging or Pac12 tourney champ banner.. OR BOTH. Some comics would call this a "tough crowd".

Very much like a gambling mentality where you tend to remember losing in tough spots like "bad beats in poker" much more than the times you get lucky and win on the river here and there, but its not winning the MegaBucks Jackpot.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2020, 05:40:49 AM »
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28926661/freshman-dj-carton-transferring-ohio-state

I really hope Arizona makes a run at Carton.  Not sure of the specifics of the transfer, but Archie recruited him hard and the kid has a ton of potential.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2020, 03:24:18 PM »
Lots transfers to follow  there is also burton from witchta st. An Nate johnson I think Miller needs to 3 point shooting an a player or two that can score on the perimeter.

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2020, 03:28:11 PM »
An a big that can replace zeke probaley a grad transfer  it will be  hopefully kinda like stone gettings  who can space the court  who is good in the zone.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2020, 06:42:23 AM »
Arizona  will need alot of players atleast 7 will be gone along dds scholarship.

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2020, 07:33:52 PM »
Sean miller reached out to trey wertz  a grad transfer  from santa Clara.

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2020, 06:46:26 AM »
It seems Arizona currently has 8 players for next year with the 2 commits green nico an zeke will be gone an 4 seniors plus dds scholly  you figure  Miller will add atleast 4 spots maybe 5 if he finds a traditional transfer  if he lands walton an ziaire  maybe 2 grad transfers it's all speculation at this time.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2020, 07:36:47 AM »
I really doubt Zaire is coming to the UofA. I really wanted him, but his recent social media statements  makes it sound like USC or professionally.

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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2020, 09:05:25 AM »
Arizona may have interest in Big South POY Carlik Jones.
"A 6-foot-1 guard from Cincinnati, Jones averaged 20.0 points, 5.1 rebounds and 5.5 assists while posting a 2.3-1 assist-turnover ratio as a junior this season."
See FULL article here https://www.primepublishers.com/sports/national/arizona-wildcats-throw-hat-in-ring-for-big-south-poy/article_41b611fb-948a-5ca5-b6d7-9860b0a60cde.html

Carlik Jones was a member of the Lute Olson All American Team
See the full team here https://www.luteolsonaward.com/

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2020, 09:51:00 AM »
It seems like some of these transfers are making early decisions  without even waiting to take visits last night white from utah valley  already committed  an I think Arizona  offferd him so they were interested  in him.

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2020, 10:50:58 AM »
They canít take visits now and there is no telling when or if they will be able to by the time itís time for them to sign somewhere. Recruits are having to face time and video chat coaches to see the campus instead of visiting them and Iím sure most have a good idea where they want to go

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2020, 03:12:48 AM »
Arizona lost another one gardner web guard nate Johnson .

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2020, 09:09:24 AM »
It seems like some of these transfers are making early decisions  without even waiting to take visits last night White from Utah Valley already committed and I think Arizona offered him so they were interested in him.
College and universities are being shut down.
There is literally no point in visiting a campus because the things that might attract a prospect outside of the team (campus atmosphere. women, night life, academics, etc.) are not going to be able to be around to be used.
It is all about establishing the relationship, and putting the pressure on to get the commitment.

This is why Stevenson ended up going back HOME to Washington, and why White is now going to USC.
Miller is going to have to put on the pressure to land some of these prospects, or else we are going to be looking at another 2018 situation; trying to pick up the pieces by offering prospects that are not good enough to be at Arizona, and they leave campus before the summer sessions are even done with.
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2020, 07:37:01 AM »
The transfer list has been fully updated.

Also, the NCAA is going to discuss and possibly vote on allowing a one-time transfer exception for all student athletes that would eliminate them sitting out.
The talks will begin in April, the decision/voting would come in May, and if passed, it would be effective immediately.
There are some criteria that is going to have to be met in order for this option to be made available, but I will let you all read it for yourselves...

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ncaa-moves-toward-immediate-eligibility-for-all-transfers
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2020, 07:51:56 AM »
Thanks for the information!

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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2020, 07:57:03 AM »
Thanks for the updated list.

Shouldn't Charles Minlend be on it?

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2020, 08:15:13 AM »
Thanks for the updated list.

Shouldn't Charles Minlend be on it?
This is the first time I am hearing this name.
Let me Google him and see what I come up with, but this is why I tell you all to post things in the recruiting forum also.
WILD posts about 90% of the content, but we can post what we deem reliable to try and lift some of the weight off of his shoulders.
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2020, 09:19:36 PM »
Thanks for the updated list.

Shouldn't Charles Minlend be on it?
This is the first time I am hearing this name.
Let me Google him and see what I come up with, but this is why I tell you all to post things in the recruiting forum also.
WILD posts about 90% of the content, but we can post what we deem reliable to try and lift some of the weight off of his shoulders.

Mineland committee to Louisville

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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2020, 06:06:24 AM »
Thanks for the updated list.

Shouldn't Charles Minlend be on it?
This is the first time I am hearing this name.
Let me Google him and see what I come up with, but this is why I tell you all to post things in the recruiting forum also.
WILD posts about 90% of the content, but we can post what we deem reliable to try and lift some of the weight off of his shoulders.

Mineland committee to Louisville
Well that solved that one...
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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2020, 07:40:57 AM »
You all look at our current roster for next year, cause I guarantee the transfers and recruits are?.!
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2020, 08:30:39 AM »
Still players out there.

We just need a couple pieces not a rebuild.

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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2020, 08:27:08 PM »
Still players out there.

We just need a couple pieces not a rebuild.
+1

With the roster we have, I believe we need a veteran wing to start at SF, and a true big to start next to next to Brown, after that, I am fine with sitting on the other two scholarships.
There is no real need to have a full roster of scholarship players especially when Miller only goes 7-8 deep.
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Re: Transfer & Grad-Transfer Free Agency
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2020, 06:43:19 AM »
We really needed ziaire that hurt alot hopefully Arizona  can get walton love his 3 point shooting  matt haarms would probably  start along brown next season with haarms Kentucky scares me  they are losing  nick Richards  an ej Montgomery.

 




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