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Which one of these is the worst of all? (Toughest Poll Ever)

Lary Scott
21 (36.8%)
Pac 12 Refs
4 (7%)
Dickie V
8 (14%)
Mark Schlabach
8 (14%)
ASU
16 (28.1%)

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Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« on: March 04, 2019, 09:57:10 AM »
Which one of these is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever!)

This should be interesting.  ;D





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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 10:15:23 AM »
All the others will fade away or die, but assu will always be the worst.

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 11:26:45 AM »
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Because the Ref situation is totally on him. The conference fall is totally on him.
Dickie V is senile and Mark is a paid hack but both are totally irrelevant.
ASU is a rival and needs to be  hated regularly. Gives us a place to take out our frustrations.

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 12:41:49 PM »
Refs are terrible.

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 02:58:02 PM »
Great poll.  Gotta go with ASSU.

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 03:38:29 PM »

 1-Lary Scott
 2-Pac 12 Refs
4- Dickie V
3-Mark Schlabach
 1a-ASU  Hell all of them I cant vote for only one...even if it meant my life.  OK  if it meant my life:  Right now  You forgot ESPN..which includes 2 of them
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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 04:09:10 PM »
This is easy.

NOTHING is ever as bad as ASSwipe U  and the Frank Kush Land Fill and Hells Farce Arena. They suck entirely - they hire horrible people (Erickson, Evans, Hurley) recruit even worse (Kyle Dodd, Eddie House, Barry Bonds) ad think they their cess pool does not stink.

But ASU is an entity...not a person.

The person who sucks most here is Scott. He has run the conference into the ground and it may not be repairable. In Football and basketball we are, by far, the worst of the power 5 conferences. Our TV revenue is the lowest and market share is the lowest despite having the second most people in our media markets. The Direct TV deal was catastrophically bad and now we are paying the price.

Dickie V is who he is... and he loves basketball and people. Notice when we were lovable we were among his favorites Now we are a renegade criminal program playing bad basketball and he wants no part of it. Can't blame him. I rally don't either, but its my team and I am responsible, as a fan, to call for change. 

Schlabach is just doing his job, but unfortunately these days in journalism, you do not have be truthful, so while it's crappy, it is none theses the standard of journalism we see from everyone. The New York times printed a record number of retractions for factual errors for an entire four year presidential term (previously set when W was in office) in just the first year of Trumps presidency. Accuracy and truth don't matter. But the result of the Schlabach article is just another straw on the camel's back and it MADE NO DIFFERENCE in our record this year. NO, Bol Bol and Little and 5 other players everyone always mentioned, ALL signed letter so intent prior to the article with other schools were never going to come here. Most never even visited campus. Quinerly is not ready for D1 ball and O'Neill is not healthy enough to play. Williams still came and well...not certain it would have made much difference had he not, but he is the best of the 3. 

PAC-12 refs. My best friend is a college ref (not D1 yet). It would horrify most fans to know how they are taught to call games, keep it close, etc. etc...
Referees are the most misunderstood aspect of College basketball.

1. There are no 'PAC12 Refs' per se. League commissioners hold camps and tryouts and make offers to referees. Its  good ole boys network and you are either inside or you are not. If you can get hired in the Big Sky, for example, you can probably get hired in the Mountain west, too. Most everyone works in multiple conferences...all but a handful in each conference. Most work all the way down to community college level too. There is huge crossover between the Big 12 and PAC 12, for example. 

2. There is not conference fan base proud of their officials. The Big 10, ACC...they all say the exact same things we do -interestingly it is largely about the same pool of referees.

3. I have heard refs talk about calls they blew after a game, over a beer. They feel horrible when they miss something and often its a meaningless tiny call - a charge instead of a block...that does not effect the outcome of the game. A Phoenix Area HS ref quit a few years ago over a last second possession call he made on an OOB play that altered the game. It was on video and he got it wrong. He was widely respected but felt like that one call was so bad he could not do it any more. 

Ironically, as the league is so bad now...the officiating seems excellent this year, certainly far better than a few years ago. I can thing 2 or 3 games where I thought the officiating was sub par and not once did I think it was unfair or targeted at AZ.






 

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 04:27:43 PM »
Schlabach is not just “doing his job”.

Yes, reporters are taught to manipulate stories so they can bring headlines.

This was a situation where he didn’t check his sources...and was so ridiculously wrong that it could cost his job. Surprisingly enough, the media is still taught to check their sources and ensure that stories are accurate before they break.

Dookie V is so proud of his ESPN roots that he wants to take sides. When he learned that the story was absolute BS, he was too stubborn and ignorant to back up. He publicly lashed out with incoherent messages that makes me wonder how he was hired in a professional setting. The guy can’t type or speak...yet he’s in the media.

Good thing he coined the phrase “baby”. Without it, nobody would care about him.

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2019, 02:11:02 AM »
Schlabach is not just “doing his job”.

Yes, reporters are taught to manipulate stories so they can bring headlines.

This was a situation where he didn’t check his sources...and was so ridiculously wrong that it could cost his job. Surprisingly enough, the media is still taught to check their sources and ensure that stories are accurate before they break.

Dookie V is so proud of his ESPN roots that he wants to take sides. When he learned that the story was absolute BS, he was too stubborn and ignorant to back up. He publicly lashed out with incoherent messages that makes me wonder how he was hired in a professional setting. The guy can’t type or speak...yet he’s in the media.

Good thing he coined the phrase “baby”. Without it, nobody would care about him.

You realize Millers denial had all sorts of caveats and conditions. right? No payment made to Ayton, is not the same as never offering a payment to Ayton. General consensus i that Bowen is the target on the tapes... but they DO exist and no one had heard the yet,, 

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2019, 08:23:08 AM »
If the Miller tape existed, it would have absolutely been used it court. 

Also, Miller's direct quote: "I have never arranged or directed payment or any improper benefits to a recruits or a prospect or their family or representative, and I never will".  That sounds like he has never PERSONALLY offered anything...although I wouldn't be shocked if one of our assistants (or runners) did.  Unfortunately, that's part of recruiting on a National level...and it isn't a secret.

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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2019, 09:39:21 AM »
If the Miller tape existed, it would have absolutely been used it court. 

Also, Miller's direct quote: "I have never arranged or directed payment or any improper benefits to a recruits or a prospect or their family or representative, and I never will".  That sounds like he has never PERSONALLY offered anything...although I wouldn't be shocked if one of our assistants (or runners) did.  Unfortunately, that's part of recruiting on a National level...and it isn't a secret.

Used in court? In which case? Several are still scheduled.




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Re: Which one is the worst of all? (Toughest poll ever)
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2019, 10:00:53 AM »
The upcoming subpoena has nothing to do with the supposed ESPN “to tape(s).

Dawkins attempted to throw Miller under the bus and they had nothing but heresay. If Schlabach’s source was legit, Miller would already be fired.

 


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