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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2019, 06:49:38 PM »
Someone in here said they thought liquid was Trey Mason or someone related to the Mason's & he never denied it so...

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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2019, 07:54:38 AM »
To be as short as possible, I can understand the premise of what Liquid is saying, but he is slightly off in his evidence.

Yes KS was a talent, but he wasnít playing out of position.
HE said that he wanted to play PG at the next level, and I believe that was a reason why it came down to Arizona & Ohio State.
AT didnít play out of position though.
He was 6í5 and was a gunner, or in 2K terms, a shot-creating playmaker.
He was always going to play SG because most of our SGs in the past have been gunners and Miller as has given them the green light (Johnson/Johnson/York/Trier).

As far as the defense goes, yes the PLD sucks, I donít like it, but it has been proven that it works if Miller has the right athletes (2013/2014/2018).
There isnít much more to say about it.

ó BUT ó

The one thing I canít begin to understand is how do you (Liquid) believe Simmons was the 4th best PURE talent we have ever had at Arizona?
What are your metrics? HS production? NBA potential?
Looking at past classes I can name roughly 6-8 prospects that we can debate were as good OR better than Simmons, HS/College/NBA doesnít matter, want to see?

Williams (2010)
Gordon (2013)
Hollis-Jefferson (2013)
Johnson (2014)
Trier (2015)
Anderson (2015)
Markkanen (2016)
Ayton (2017)
4-11-2011
9-14-2012
2-19-2013
7-29-2014

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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2019, 09:35:13 AM »
Not a top 4 player at UofA all time (under Miller) by any means. Not even top 10.

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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2019, 10:09:12 AM »
He definitely had the top-4 ego. Wish he had the top-4 confidence in the court to go along with it.

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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2019, 01:21:49 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if it is Trey....He is/was attending law school at CU...I had a brief text interaction with him a year or so ago...he appeared to be very negative to the program....if he has passed the bar by now...I would expect to see him advertising locally on Judge Judy for clients....

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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2019, 01:47:28 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if it is Trey....He is/was attending law school at CU...I had a brief text interaction with him a year or so ago...he appeared to be very negative to the program....if he has passed the bar by now...I would expect to see him advertising locally on Judge Judy for clients....

According to his twitter page he goes to ASU for law school, probably couldn't hack it at CU - and he definitely has it out for Miller, tweeting negative stuff about him during the trial.
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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2019, 02:41:21 PM »
Liquidated is just a Sean Miller hater. Pretty sure almost every player listed with 16ppg+ was a PG, SG, or SF on the small side. You can't compare eras, but I am curious how many PF or C ever scored even 10ppg or more for Lute Olson. Sean Miller has been known to present a much more balanced attack on offense and featured numerous big's.

Yes, I hate Sean Miller, every true Wildcat fan should. But underestimating Lute's big men is a classic mistake. The guard play was so stratospherically great, but AZ under Lute had excellent big men too and had you seen it, you would not have even raised the question. It was NEVER an issue of balance, and if it was then balance is meaningless because Lute went to final fours and won a championship with 'unbalanced' teams.

Lute's initial offense at AZ was classic high low post UCLA/Wooden offense that he learned at Long Beach state. 1st scoring option was ALWAYS the low post. That is essentially true of Miller's offense too.

Lute got run off the court by eastern tennessee polytechnic (who ever) and they did not have even have a center or true power forward and Lute changed everything. He opened the game up and started running. He started recruiting athletes instead of BB players. You can read his comments about it in his book. Big men suddenly did not look like Rooks, they looked like Bramlett and could run the floor...

He was also influenced by Kerrs ability to shoot the 3 and began to prioritize that in guards... which, apparently, Miller has totally ignored.     

Interestingly the game is evolving more and more towards the 3 point shot now and Miller continues to hide from it, despite massive amounts of evidence (analytics) that show otherwise. 

(all numbers are season average ppg and * indicate team leader for that year)

Eddie Smith (13.2) and Pete Williams (14.5*) played forward/center on Lutes first team at AZ in 1983-1984. They led the team in scoring. Freshmen Kerr averaged 7.1.
84-85 Smith (16.1*) Williams (12.5)
86-87 Tolbert (13.9)
87-88 Tolbert (14.1), Cook (13.9)
88-89 Cook (17.5)
89-90 Buechler (14.9*), Rooks (12.7), Brian Williams (10.6)
90-91 Brian Williams (14.0), Rooks (11.9)
91-92 Rooks (16.3*)
92-93 Stokes (11.5)
93-94 Owes (12.9), Blair (10.1)
94-95 Owes (15.1), Blair (12.4), Davis (9.9 almost)
95-96 Davis (14.2*)
97-98 Bramlett (10.4) -that is on a team with Dickerson (18.0), Simon (17.4), Terry (10.6) & Bibby (17.2) - All 5 starter 10+
98-99 Bramlett (14.2), Wright (13.9)
99-00 Woods (15.6*), Wright (15.5) - that is on a team with Arenas (15.4), Gardner (12.6) and Richard Jefferson (11.0), only second time ever all five starters averaged 10+.
00-01 Wright (15.6*), Woods (13.2)
01-02 Anderson (12.4), Frye (9.5...almost)
02-03 Frye (12.6), Anderson (10.7)
03-04 Frye (15.9), Iggy (12.9)
04-05 Frye (15.8), Adams (12.7) - Adams played the four most of that season.
05-06 IRad (12.1)
06-07 IRad (15.1), Budinger (15.6)
07-08 Budinger (17.1*), Hill (13.2)
08-09 Budinger (18.0), Hill (18.3*)

MILLERS PLAYERS

09-10 D. Williams (15.7*)
10-11 D. Williams (19.5*)
11-12 Hill (12.9), Perry (12.2)
12-13 Hill (13.4)
14-15 Ashley (12.2)
15-16 Anderson (15.3)
16-17 Ristic (10.9)
17-18 Ristic (12.2), Ayton (20.1*)
18-19 Jeter (10.9)


Millers inside players average lower totals - just like his guards...we score a lot fewer points now as a team and it effects the stats of every player. Again, low scoring BB is fine with me, as long as you win and low scoring teams don't win. Yes, Virginia, was total anomaly this past year, they were a high scoring team that slowed it down...and they had the easiest path to the championship in 20 years or more.

 




Keep in mind that all the years where a big man did not lea us in scoring we had players like Elliott and Mills and Dickerson who were doing so...



 



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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2019, 02:56:35 PM »
1. I am not Trey Mason and I do not know the Mason family. I did know Harvey Mason very casually in college and hung out with those guys little bit. The issue is Miller;s behavior and poor decision making - yet again.

Pitts ADMITTED to sexual misconduct (January) and Miller refused to boot him from the team for another full month until pressure form alumni and the newspaper printed Mason's letter. If for no other reason, you do not piss off an alumni who has 2 legacy athletes at Arizona. Miller needed to take Mason's side - incredibly piss poor judgement, which we now know is par for the course with Miller. It also split the locker room, Pitts was not popular among his team mates and Trey was.

2. Has it crossed anyones mind that someone might not Miller for performance issues? You do not have to 'hate' someone to want them fired for gross amounts of corruption throughout the program they are responsible for, for giving the university a bad name, for finishing 8th in conference, for having a losing record to Altman, for not advancing to the final four, for abusing players, not developing players, not recruiting well outside of the one and ones (this past year is a perfect example).

There are many, many, rational well founded, easily supported reasons to want Miller gone. My 'hate' is product of Miller's own absurd actions and poor performance.
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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2019, 03:46:21 PM »
"I am not Trey Mason."

By any chance is your first name Dick? If it's not, it should be.
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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2019, 04:58:32 PM »
seems like the professional, legal, appropriate course would be to remain as impartial and objective, to treat everyone as fairly as possible, to be discrete about what you say and do, to follow established procedures about how to handle such situations

if any coach showed favoritism for or against a player in order to avoid pissing off well-connected alumni, if any coach violated any of the above proprieties in order to side with a popular player, then I would hope that everyone who cares about the program would denounce that

add ethically challenged to all of the other things I've said about you
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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2019, 09:04:52 PM »
A ton of the "bigs" Liquid mentioned are glorified SFs. Especially in the modern era.  Chase Budinger, Hot Sauce, Solomon Hill? are not Bigs LOL. Bigs are Loren Woods.

Analytics say 3 and D. Shoot as many 3s as possible and play D. That only works when you have catch and shoot players. Miller has had success playing a more traditional style with elite level athletes. He has adapted his coaching style way more than you give credit for. In game adjustments are underrated when you have tunnel vision to the negative.

He has been the coach for 10 years right? In 10 years he has had actual PF and Centers (NBA Caliber) average high PPG's. He has made what? 3 Elite 8s, 2 Sweet Sixteens and was never truly blown off the court. Multiple conference titles and tourney wins to boot. I believe some buzzer beaters and games of a life time have been the thorn in Miller's side throughout his tenure more than the couple Wichita St/Buffalo games sprinkled in.

You are not giving Sean Miller a fair shake at all and are extremely biased toward ancient history at this point. Lute may have made some final 4s and won 1 title, but give Miller another 14 years before you judge fairly. The only times Lute ever went far was with NBA talent. Sean Miller only recruits NBA talent and the very best transfers. Up until 2014 there was a lot of hard evidence that Miller has been better than Lute to that point and since then he hasn't really been worse. Last year was an outlier.

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Re: Trier & Simmons make comments on twitter about college coaches
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2019, 06:10:45 AM »
With the exception of last season's mess, Miller's teams have never shot less than 36% from 3-point land.

Lute's final 5 seasons: 2006-07 (34.1%) / 2005-06 (31.9%) / 2004-05 (40.2%) / 2003-04 (38.6%) / 2002-03 (35.3%)

Don't forget that the line was pushed back.  Miller hasn't lived up to the PGU name...but he always brings in consistent outside shooters, including frontcourt players that can knock it down.

 


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