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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 04:26:06 PM »
So say this does happen. What happens to the scheduling with CST and EST ? This would really suck to try to catch games on these time zones

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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 05:20:43 PM »
There would be no perfect scenario either way.  Just figure the move would be a better fit than the crap one we are in.

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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 06:22:11 PM »
Everybody complains when ESPN scheduled us for an 8-9pm AZ start for “PAC-12 after dark” and everybody would complain if we get 8pm CST starts (which would be 6-7pm in Tucson).

The Big-12 would be better exposure, which means more money and better recruiting. 

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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 06:34:36 PM »
Back the 'Cats WAC to PAC!

this sounds like something from the addled brain of that Adam Grand Forks troll
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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 08:02:12 PM »
 West Virginia is actually closer than Oregon. So travel distance would be that big a difference.

Not even close...from Phoenix, Morgontown is 2079 miles - Seattle is 1422 (the furthest we travel). Big difference. But consider also the time zone. In order to get the east coast and have anything left of the day, you have to leave on the earliest flight possible and thats a 4 hour flight  and about a 7 hour process, IF you have absolutely no delays. I did this more than 50 times in the past 5 years - phoenix to the east coast. So leave at 6AM, get there at 1pm (AZ time) - during football season thats a 3 hour time difference - so 4pm. That is an entire day - feed the kids, go to bed. A 10AM start time for the game would be 7AM Tucson time.

Eugene (your example) is a 2 and 1/2 hour flight and in the same time zone. If you leave AZ at 2pm (literally 8 hours later), you end up with the same result.



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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2019, 08:41:37 PM »
True, but we would only travel there on a rotational basis which would mean at least once every four to five years. If they keep the conference schedule at 8 rather than 9 like in the PAC.
Most of the schools are not much different. WSU is in the boonies. ISU is 1427 miles, about the WSU drive. The difference if only the Arizona schools went is there would be NO close games outside or the In  state rivalry game. Now if they added SDSU and BYU , then there would be more games closer to us. Adding the San Diego Phoenix Tucson Salt Lake (Mormon) areas would greatly enhance their market plus their recruiting footprint. All about exposure.

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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2019, 08:41:43 PM »
 
Sorry to burst your bubble the PAC 12 is by far the weakest of the Power 5. This would be awesome for us. Screw the academic prestige we need money and we would get a shit ton more of it being in the Big 12 than the PAC 12. All those small schools you are referring too get way more money from the Big12 than we get from the PAC. If we can leave we totally should.

No argument from me that there PAC12 is grossly mismanaged and I'd love to leave, but out of the frying pan and into the fire is not a great idea. Better management is the idea.

The Big 12 just sucks.

REVENUE:
Unless you are Texas, you don't get the full share of the revenue (same is true in the SEC for some schools) thats why Nebraska left. All of the pac 12 schools got $29.5 million in 2018. Texas topped out at over $40 million in 2018 and the AVERAGE for the Big 12 was $34.7 million, but not all schools got that much.   

2018 overall revenue:
PAC12 $497 Milion
BIG12 $373.9 Million

PAC12 networks operating revenue is $101 Million!!! Have no idea how that is possible but that is what was reported. ESPN handles BIG 12 and SEC and I think ACC networks - probably a ton of money to be saved in that. The Big10 went its own way...and they are doing better than anyone (but they also have more schools).

Falsehoods about revenue: More $ makes for stronger programs. Not necessarily. BIG 10 has not won a football championship since their network started and they have barely made the play offs a couple of times. Obviously more money is better for all, but there are other considerations.

ATHLETIC PROWESS/TRADITION

Stanford alone has more NCAA division 1 championships than the entire Big 12 combined. #2 on the all time list? UCLA. #3 on the all time list? USC. Oregon is #8. CAL is #10. Arizona, ASU, Washington and Utah are all top 50.

EXPOSURE

yes, our games would be on earlier and therefore more of the country could see us. But that 'more' of the country is Tulsa, Iowa City, Waco, Stillwater, Lawrence, Lubbock....I am certain there are SOME recruits who would come to AZ from those areas that might be D1 prospects but all of their d1 prospects combined in 100 years that would come to AZ are not as many as would come from Los Angeles in 1 year.

If you removed Baylor (Dallas) - LA is a much larger TV market than the entire Big12. Add in Seatle, the Bay area, Phoenix, Denver/Boulder, and its not even remotely close tot he same level of viewership and potential revenue. An incredibly poorly managed PAC12 network is distributing almost as much revenue to its member schools and we have no national network behind us, screwed up the direct TV think (which does not matter much now but cost us dearly for decade).

The Big12 schools are fine academic institutions... not taking anything away from them...but their best schools are ranked about where our worst schools are. They do not have a Stanford, UCLA or USC academically. Cal and Washington (look it up) are two of the best public schools in the country. Texas and Kansas are probably their academic leaders and both rank below Washington.

Just because the PAC12 is poorly managed, does no mean it cannot be great again. The Big 12 is at its peak and has very few places to go. Losing A&M and Missouri and Nebraska was a disaster for that conference. When alignment comes again, I bet more schools from the BIG 12 will look east and west or north even...

None of this is a defense of Larry Scott, he should have been fired the minute he bailed on direct TV. But the PAC 12, inherently has WAAAAAY more going for it than the BIG12.

 
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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2019, 08:45:53 PM »
Yes, but under Big 12 rules Arizona could keep some of their Basketball extras that we share with the PAC. We could also have special stuff the PAC refused to allow us to do. Like the ESPN special which would have netted us a couple mil. PAC said no.

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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2019, 08:46:30 PM »
Also 34 mil is more than 29 mil

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Re: Rumor is that Arizona & Asu are looking into moving to the Big12
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2019, 01:57:06 AM »
From what I see we could only beat 2 teams in the BIG-12 in football
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