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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2019, 09:10:10 PM »
I predict we better have at least three knockdown long-range shooters if we're going to make any serious noise next year.
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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2019, 08:42:25 AM »
If you belong to a group where everyone agrees, you might be in a cult.

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2019, 09:52:38 AM »
I can't really speak to any other PAC team with confidence, but as far as Arizona goes, we will definitely be top 3 in conference, and topo 15 team nationally.

Let's say our starting lineup, and most significant contributors are:
Nico Mannion
Brandon Williams
Josh Green
Ira Lee
Chase Jeter

That is 2 NBA lottery-pick guards, a 5th-year Senior at center, experienced Junior who took huge strides forward this year in Lee, and Williams who has crazy potential.

Then toss in Randolph (maybe), Gettings, Armstrong, Nnaji, Barcello (maybe) all as role players instead of having to do too much

I hope you are correct...

Jeter, I believe, has two years left of eligibility, despite his class. He was in the Duke class of 2015 and sat out a year.

May I remind you that in the past there were many lottery picks who weren't. Sidiki Johnson, Trier, Zeus, Jerrett and Ashley were not even drafted. Every single one of them in HS was projected as a one and done lottery pick or for sure high NBA draft pick.

My point is that every single one of these guys was the subject of so many posts on boards like these about them carrying us to a championship or a top ranking and not one of them did. Jarrett (.9930) and Ashley (.9960) both were rated almost exactly the same as Mannion is (.9963) and both rate higher then Green (.9959). I am not suggesting these ratings down to 1000th of point mean anything, other than they provide context. All four of these guys were/are considered super elite and the only two that ever played a minute of college hoops - were not even drafted.




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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2019, 08:23:02 PM »
Jeter has 1 year left. Played 2 at duke. Liquidated does have a point with freshman to not count the chickens before they hatch. Rankings mean nothing , I mean look at cam reddish. He is a good contributor but no where compared to his expectations. That being said I am a huge believe in mannion and green. Both pass the eye test for me. Nnaji and Armstrong look very good but I have tempered expectations

I think we will win the pac-12 easily next year
2. Washington - really buying into the new regime
3. Colorado
4. Oregon - if king stays, he could win poty

Those are the teams I see making the tournament. UCLA has a real shot depending on the coaching hire. If they could get a Chris beard type they will be very good, I donít think I buy into the Walton as a good college coach hype

I have no faith in enfield at usc despite their class rankings. I think he can recruit but he has proven zero coaching ability.

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2019, 06:31:44 AM »
I could care less whether Jeter lives up to his NBA potential.  He's an extremely brilliant kid that will be successful in life.  While he's at Arizona, he will do what every other big man did: WIN. 

Ristic, Zeus & Ashley didn't get drafted in the 1st round, but they won a ton of games in Tucson & kept us competitive.  Next season, we'll arguably have the deepest roster in Miller's history.  There's a nice mix of freshmen and upperclassmen...which will make a big impact in the postseason.

Oregon & USC "should" be good...yet they also weren't expected to lose a combined 30 games this season.  ASSU lost 58 games in Hurley's first four seasons; they're not winning anything next year.

UW is on the rise, but they will likely need some time to catch up after losing significant role-players next season.

Arizona will win the Pac-12 next season.  Don't forget to bump this thread in 2020!

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2019, 10:55:32 AM »
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I could care less whether Jeter lives up to his NBA potential.....While he's at Arizona, he will do what every other big man did: WIN.  Ristic, Zeus & Ashley didn't get drafted in the 1st round, but they won a ton of games in Tucson & kept us competitive.   

I want Jeter to be the absolute best he can be and I think he is a future NBA player...although his game is a little different than most guys his size and he needs to make that work for him.

Jeter will not 'WIN'. He didn't win this year and even if we win every game we play next year, he will finish with worse winning percentage than Ristic, Zues and Ashley. Not one of those guys ever played in a final four. 



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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2019, 11:04:59 AM »
I am puzzled by the love for Washington.

They loose their three best players - all conference player spa the player of the of the year int he PAC12. Plus they loose their 6th man and Hopkins plays a 7 man rotation...

They return 3 players with any real experience... Their class is ranked #22 its basically 2 scholarship players and a transfer from Kentucky (not sure he is eligible).

They will not be experienced or deep.

Also - Enfield is fine coach - hell of a lot better than Miller. He has built talent steadily up from nothing and had a rash of injuries and weird off court situations with players that has hampered him. Porter this past year was great example. Boatwright had a lot of ups and downs injury wise...the kid who jumped out second story window...

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2019, 11:45:06 AM »
Nerlens Noel, Ben Simmons, Damian Lillard, Klay Thompson, Paul George, Chris Bosh and (even) Pistol Pete never made the NCAA tourney...let alone a Final Four. 

Nobody has won as many games at Arizona as Ristic (Zeus is tied with Muehlebach for 2nd).  It would be extremely disappointing if the Cats put up less than 25 wins next season.  Barring an injury or a surprise transfer/graduation...Jeter will contribute towards a legitimate Final Four run.

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2019, 12:34:55 PM »

Also - Enfield is fine coach - hell of a lot better than Miller. He has built talent steadily up from nothing and had a rash of injuries and weird off court situations with players that has hampered him. Porter this past year was great example. Boatwright had a lot of ups and downs injury wise...the kid who jumped out second story window...

Seriously the dumbest thing Iíve read all day... Thatís saying a lot considering Michael Avenatti was tweeting all day.

Guess you donít mind that USC had the same number of assistant coaches plead guilty....Only Miller is the evil corrupt one, everyone else just experiences ďweird off court situationsĒ. Letís also just ignore Millerís win percentage compared to Enfield... or Conference Championships ... or conference tournament championships ... letís just ignore all empirical evidence and accept that Enfield is a ďhell of a lot better than MillerĒ.

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2019, 01:10:57 PM »
Washington likely returns the pac 12 poy, 1 top 10 recruit with a chance at one more in jaden mcdaniels and quade green will be eligible for at least half the year, also Enfrield > Miller, really? I know you don't like Miller but REALLY Enfield > Miller...

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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2019, 02:08:14 PM »
Washington likely returns the pac 12 poy, 1 top 10 recruit with a chance at one more in jaden mcdaniels and quade green will be eligible for at least half the year, also Enfrield > Miller, really? I know you don't like Miller but REALLY Enfield > Miller...

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How bad do we have to loose to coach before you can respect him?  We won both games the year before, but that was at Mckale with a hampered Boatwright and without Boatwright at all in the tourney.

Enfield presses, plays zone and M2M...by definition that makes him better coach.

If Enfield, Hurley, Tinkle, Krystkoviac, Hopkins or Boyle could consistently land the one and dones that Miller has had, they would have all had much better records and gotten further in the tourney. They are all better coaches. Altman doesn't even need the recruiting.. he consistently beats Miller with second rate recruits.

If WSU, UCLA and CAL hire good coaches, Miller will be the 9th or 10th best in the conference and will remain so until he learns to play a variety of defenses and his offense starts to embrace some advanced analytic principals and he learns to play a few different presses, and learns how to match in game coaching to individual talents and he becomes less predictable, and, and, and...


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Re: Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2019, 07:06:37 PM »
I am puzzled by the love for Washington.

They lose their three best players - all conference player of the player of the  year in the PAC12. Plus they loose their 6th man and Hopkins plays a 7 man rotation...

They return 3 players with any real experience... Their class is ranked #22 its basically 2 scholarship players and a transfer from Kentucky (not sure he is eligible).

They will not be experienced or deep.
Green was a 5* prospect coming out of HS and played two years for Kentucky.
Stewart is also a 5* prospect coming into UW.

So Hopkins is essentially adding two 5* prospects to his roster next season.
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