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Title: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: WILDcatAZfan on June 12, 2019, 01:55:03 PM
CBS is reporting that an NCAA vice president says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer & 2 high-profile programs will be served in a matter of weeks.

The most important quote from the article is  "Wilcox said only those schools involved in eligibility issues would be impacted."  Arizona does not have any eligibility issues & if the schools with eligibility issues are hit the hardest then it may not be as bad as it first seemed. Schools like Kansas, USC, & Auburn were just some of the schools who had player eligibility issues after the FBI scandal broke. This is all happening much faster than we all thought, but let's not freak out about this just yet. Read the full article below.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1138898626338590721
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Little George on June 12, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
Examples of violations
Level I
Lack of institutional control.
Academic fraud.
Failure to cooperate in an NCAA enforcement investigation.
Individual unethical or dishonest conduct.
Head coach responsibility violation by a head coach resulting from an underlying Level I violation by an individual within the sport program.
Level II
Violations that do not rise to the level of Level I violations and are more serious than Level III violations.
Failure to monitor.
Systemic violations that do not amount to a lack of institutional control.
Multiple recruiting, financial aid, or eligibility violations that do not amount. to a lack of institutional control.
Collective Level III violations.

Failure to monitor is more likely due to the immediate actions by the school and CSM agreed with that as well.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Little George on June 12, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonScheer/status/1138916141160681473?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: eggdog on June 12, 2019, 07:17:41 PM
Who the heck knows what the NCAA will do but the fact that all of our players were cleared by not only the NCAA but also the FBI has to be a good sign. NCAA Level I violations are described as those that “seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws, including any violation that provides or is intended to provide a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage, or a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit.” As far as I can tell what Book did didn't give us any advantage, other than having an assistant slightly less worried about his money problems. If they get us for Phelps for academic reasons that seems minor compared to what other schools have done, especially since we self reported that and the player didn't come here. I still haven't heard if their investigation into that is over or that the player will be held out at UCLA.

There are so many schools involved it's hard to keep track but in the first trial Gatto, Code and Dawkins were convicted of facilitating payments to the families of six players to ensure they would attend four schools – North Carolina State University, the University of Louisville, the University of Miami and the University of Kansas.

Those four seem like they'll surely be among the 6 but we'll see. Whatever happens you have to think the UA's lawyers are well prepared if they try to come down too hard on us and it could drag out for some time.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Little George on June 12, 2019, 09:27:57 PM
What WILD already said.

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Article/Report-Programs-will-soon-be-notified-of-major-NCAA-violations--132814528/
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: ichi on June 13, 2019, 08:43:41 AM
This will be a shiny red Porsche they can show off to dispel rumors they are impotent
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Jdmarti on June 13, 2019, 09:35:51 AM
I am surprised by how fast  NCAA is moving in this investigation.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Little George on June 13, 2019, 09:50:04 AM
They can move forward only on what is known.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: eggdog on June 13, 2019, 10:09:48 AM
One thing that makes me not too worried is if the FBI had found one shred of evidence against Miller they would have done anything they could to add him to the lawsuit and they had access to wiretaps the NCAA will never hear. Snagging Miller would have validated their work and they would have the big fish they promised instead of a few assistant coaches most people have never heard of.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: WILDcatAZfan on June 13, 2019, 07:28:30 PM
List of schools who were named in FBI scandal. 

Louisville, North Carolina State, Kansas, Arizona, LSU, USC, Oklahoma State, South Carolina and Auburn. TCU, Creighton, Miami, Alabama, and Clemson
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Little George on June 13, 2019, 09:00:53 PM
And which schools had player eligibility issues?
Yes that was in the wording!

Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: eggdog on June 13, 2019, 10:16:12 PM
List of schools who were named in FBI scandal. 

Louisville, North Carolina State, Kansas, Arizona, LSU, USC, Oklahoma State, South Carolina and Auburn. TCU, Creighton, Miami, Alabama, and Clemson

There are quite a few more that have had reports come out about them but I'm not sure all these schools were mentioned in the trials. You'd have to think the NCAA will look into them though based on the reports that Yahoo released with pretty detailed info. The most complete list I found had: Arizona, Auburn, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Alabama, USC, NC State, Seton Hall, LSU, Maryland, Kentucky, Washington, Utah, Xavier, Kansas, Texas, San Diego State, Clemson, Wichita State, Michigan State. Oregon's name also came up in the trial as trying to pay Bowen but they aren't listed. Zion came up too but neither he nor Duke is listed. Not sure who else is missing.

Here's a breakdown of what each school was charged with, either in court or the media, but still should give an idea of how many programs will be investigated and what for plus a list of some players who could've taken money from agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_corruption_scandal

Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: WildcatInUK on June 14, 2019, 12:58:17 AM
List of schools who were named in FBI scandal. 

Louisville, North Carolina State, Kansas, Arizona, LSU, USC, Oklahoma State, South Carolina and Auburn. TCU, Creighton, Miami, Alabama, and Clemson

There are quite a few more that have had reports come out about them but I'm not sure all these schools were mentioned in the trials. You'd have to think the NCAA will look into them though based on the reports that Yahoo released with pretty detailed info. The most complete list I found had: Arizona, Auburn, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Alabama, USC, NC State, Seton Hall, LSU, Maryland, Kentucky, Washington, Utah, Xavier, Kansas, Texas, San Diego State, Clemson, Wichita State, Michigan State. Oregon's name also came up in the trial as trying to pay Bowen but they aren't listed. Zion came up too but neither he nor Duke is listed. Not sure who else is missing.

Here's a breakdown of what each school was charged with, either in court or the media, but still should give an idea of how many programs will be investigated and what for plus a list of some players who could've taken money from agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_corruption_scandal

Oregon came up in both trials... Remember Book (on wiretap) said Oregon bought Bol Bol for $200k. If you believe what he said about Miller, you gotta believe everything he said, including about Oregon and LSU.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: WILDcatAZfan on July 10, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
NC State is the 1st school. This is Big news as the media would've gone into a frenzy if it was Arizona. All signs point to Louisville as being the next school announced. 5 more schools to go.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1149089363998867456
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Little George on July 11, 2019, 08:00:00 AM
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/nc-state-recruitment-dennis-smith-jr-at-heart-of-major-ncaa-allegations/6rjeht0ghogi1fupdqdorjbn9


Notice this benefits event lasted for an entire school year plus and this player was deemed ineligible and this was not a self reported violation.

In comparison we have no player deemed ineligible, and the event only lasted three months. the school fired Book as soon as it was discovered. The school fired Phelps as soon as it knew as well, and self reported the event. The test scores issue has yet to be resolved because it was an unconfirmed accusation in which the player was never deemed in eligible and the player was accepted into a school with higher admission standards without a problem. I do not see where that issue can be called a violation as nothing was done to make an ineligible player eligible. I do not see us as next, or even in the mix of the first 5-6 schools addressed.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: eggdog on July 11, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
And which schools had player eligibility issues?
Yes that was in the wording!

Just noticed CBS removed the part about schools with eligibility issues being hit first. Check out the editor's note at the bottom.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/at-least-six-college-basketball-programs-will-be-notified-of-major-ncaa-violations-by-this-summer/
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 11, 2019, 11:56:16 AM
Haha.  Nice catch.  I bet the NCAA retracted their statement to CBS when they realized that a few of the programs didn't have eligibility issues...maybe they are lurking on PPU.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Titan4Wildcats on July 11, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
If it's true that Book did this in this off season in a different state, how is Coach Miller supposed to know this?  Is he supposed to hire spies to follow all of his coaches during the off season?  It would appear that any punishment to the UofA/Coach Miller/the Wildcat Basketball team would be for something they had absolutely NO control over or any way of knowing what happened until they were informed it happened. 
The way I see it, under these circumstances, they should only get punished if they were told/found out about it and didn't do anything about it until it was too late.  This didn't happen according to all I've read about his incident.  There shouldn't be ANY punishment for the UofA & staff. 
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: Liquidated on July 12, 2019, 11:48:18 AM
If it's true that Book did this in this off season in a different state, how is Coach Miller supposed to know this?  Is he supposed to hire spies to follow all of his coaches during the off season?  It would appear that any punishment to the UofA/Coach Miller/the Wildcat Basketball team would be for something they had absolutely NO control over or any way of knowing what happened until they were informed it happened. 
The way I see it, under these circumstances, they should only get punished if they were told/found out about it and didn't do anything about it until it was too late.  This didn't happen according to all I've read about his incident.  There shouldn't be ANY punishment for the UofA & staff.

Can't disprove a negative...

It is also not possible to prove that Miller did not know what Book was up to. Miller's right hand man for a decade and more...they probably talked in the off-season, like every day. They are still 'working' in the off season.

So to say that no one should be punished...has no basis in facts that are known. We DO know of multiple self reported NCAA violations that happened under Miller's watch, which by NCAA rules he IS responsible for. I suspect that is what they will focus on, if anything.

 
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: AzHoops24 on July 12, 2019, 12:56:22 PM
Book obviously has proof where he put the money and where he spent it if the alleged player is playing ball.
Title: Re: NCAA official says 6 schools will be served with infractions this summer
Post by: AzHoops24 on July 12, 2019, 01:03:27 PM
He also worked with nova and the ncaa to get quinnerly eligible. So if he spent the money on medical expenses for personal reasons we should be off the hook from level 1 violations.