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Not specifically cash...but future benefits, "fake" jobs during college, cars (lease OR gift), family housing, etc.

Everybody knows people that received at least one of the above for participating in collegiate athletics.  It isn't a secret that football is the most corrupt, yet basketball is getting the attention because it would be WAY too hard to investigate the amount of corruption on the football side.

and money involved because ncaa is making lots and lots of money with football
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Skip to the 9 minute make in the below video to hear Aaron Torres's opinion on what Dawkins said about Miller yesterday in the trail. Totally agree.

https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1121471690704244736

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The judge is not going to reconsider having Miller take the stand.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1121403644128133120

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because of a belief.....facts vs your word and mine.  I mean come on Dawkins this is sad
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Not specifically cash...but future benefits, "fake" jobs during college, cars (lease OR gift), family housing, etc.

Everybody knows people that received at least one of the above for participating in collegiate athletics.  It isn't a secret that football is the most corrupt, yet basketball is getting the attention because it would be WAY too hard to investigate the amount of corruption on the football side.

and money involved because ncaa is making lots and lots of money with football

Here is the problem with that reasoning. ~80% of the NCAA's budget comes from the D1 basketball tournament, NOT football, and in recent years the NCAA's budget has hovered around $1 billion. The individual schools/conferences make the football money.

Where does the ~$1billion in revenue go every year? A: back to the 1,268 schools. In many different forms. But more than 70% of it is distributed - ~30% of it covers marketing and licensing and in recent years tons of legal fees from those seeking to take more money away from the students the NCAA helps.

People say we should pay the kids because schools and the NCAA are 'getting rich', but they aren't. NO OFFICIAL ENTITY IS GETTING RICH OFF COLLEGE ATHELTICS - NOT THE NCAA, NOT THE CONERENCES AND NOT THE SCHOOLS. THEY ARE ALL NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. Most of that money goes right back to the kids. Football funds scholarships, facilities and travel for other sports at the school level. TV revenue among conferences is shared. Championship revenue from the NCAA is redistributed to every single member school.

The NCAA has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo for sure, but that is because THEY ARE OBLIGATED as members of a non-profit board of governors (their title) to keep the best interests of the organization in mind.

The notion that the NCAA or the schools are 'getting rich' is silly - they are providing scholarships that will enhance lives and make their players rich over an entire lifetime. They players are well compensated for what they do. At most schools they have additional academic support, books and fees covered, better dorm housing, some (or all) free food, healthcare, extensive travel...all things that the average students don't have provided for them by the institutions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association

http://www.ncaa.org/about/where-does-money-go

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because of a belief.....facts vs your word and mine.  I mean come on Dawkins this is sad

I have read about 5 articles on the trial and listened to a couple of podcasts - this defense makes absolutely no sense. It almost seems like reasonable doubt defense but the key word is 'reasonable' and with the total absence of any evidence or facts or testimony or depositions...you are correct - very sad.

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Totally agree. I didn’t insinuate that anybody is receiving benefits outside of the players/recruits. Anybody that thinks players should be paid has no idea how college athletics operate (per your above comments).

The only way to fix football is to closely monitor bank accounts of the recruits and start a minor league football program under the NFL blanket.

It’s coming...as soon as the basketball landscape is “fixed”.

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There's no reason for schools or the NCAA to pay players but the only way to clean this up is to allow players to make money off of their own likeness so their families can get some money and in most cases the money isn't going to the players anyway, it's a relative or friend who has influence on their decision. And the money isn't coming from the coaches or schools. Kansas just signed a 196 million dollar deal with adidas that forces the kids that go there to wear their products making them walking billboards for their company. Adidas needs Kansas to land good players to make it worth the money they're paying them. If someone wants to put the kids in a commercial or they want to charge for autographs I don't see the harm in it and that would give the shoe companies a legit way to pay for the kids endorsements. The Olympics changed their model to allow the same.
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There's no reason for schools or the NCAA to pay players but the only way to clean this up is to allow players to make money off of their own likeness so their families can get some money and in most cases the money isn't going to the players anyway, it's a relative or friend who has influence on their decision. And the money isn't coming from the coaches or schools. Kansas just signed a 196 million dollar deal with adidas that forces the kids that go there to wear their products making them walking billboards for their company. Adidas needs Kansas to land good players to make it worth the money they're paying them. If someone wants to put the kids in a commercial or they want to charge for autographs I don't see the harm in it and that would give the shoe companies a legit way to pay for the kids endorsements. The Olympics changed their model to allow the same.

Totally agree on that... using athletes to advertise anything other than the events they compete in is wrong if there is no compensation. If I can buy a Jeter Jersey, for example, he should get something from that. 
 

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Those kids have the right to play overseas at 17-18 years old and sign endorsement deals if they don't want to get a degree and play college basketball.  They know what they're getting into when they sign scholarship papers.

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The only thing on Arizona today at trial was on Book getting 15k and talking on a wiretap about delivering more players. None of this is new info. See tweets below

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1121854198214270978
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1121858695279906816

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The only thing on Arizona today at trial was on Book getting 15k and talking on a wiretap about delivering more players. None of this is new info. See tweets below

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1121854198214270978
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1121858695279906816

If that’s it... and It’s looking increasingly likely that it is, I’m Starting to think we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. So many schools involved, and zero evidence linking Miller.. NCAA can’t come down on Arizona without also destroying a dozen+ other schools, including Dook, Kansas, UK, UNC, and MSU.

 





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