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Title: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on June 19, 2019, 01:32:31 PM
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Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!

First, I would like to take time out to let everyone know that I was Wrong in posting a tweet wishing good luck to BWill as it brought a lot of speculation regarding his previous injury. I don't want to go into any more detail about the report of him leaving. Let's just celebrate the fact that Williams a true Wildcat at heart is going to stay at Arizona.

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Post by: beardownzona on June 19, 2019, 01:39:20 PM
Great News Wild!!  Can you confirm if he is going to play this year?
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Post by: lsg_da_apache on June 19, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
It takes a lot to admit that you made a mistake, but we all make mistakes. Big props to you WILD, and as always thanks for the great site and info. BTFD!
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Post by: WILDBeaker on June 19, 2019, 01:54:46 PM
Check out video of Brandon Williams helping out at basketball camp in Richard Jefferson gym today

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Post by: KansasCityCats on June 19, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
Freaking awesome.  This team is still extremely deep & I can't wait to see him step on the court this Fall...
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Post by: Little George on June 19, 2019, 02:37:59 PM
Freaking awesome.  This team is still extremely deep & I can't wait to see him step on the court this Fall...

Yep, just hope his knee is good.
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Post by: mvpreed2 on June 19, 2019, 05:17:43 PM
Glad to know he is staying at Arizona!
Whatever the situation is, I pray it is resolved quickly.
I hope to see you back on the court at 100% Brandon!
And if I donít, get that degree and make moves off the court!
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Post by: Jdmarti on June 19, 2019, 05:49:13 PM
I am happy to hear b.will is staying  the only question is if he will be playing I hope he will an that his health is good.
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Post by: eggdog on June 19, 2019, 07:56:15 PM
Good news about BWill, hopefully he doesn't rush back and takes time to heal up and can be a contributor this year or some time down the road. Jaxen Turner from the football team is expected to walk on to the basketball team, not sure how good he is but his profile says "Turner is a four-year varsity starter in basketball. Has legitimate basketball offers and will look to walk-on at Arizona." https://247sports.com/Player/Jaxen-Turner-46038172/

Maybe he can eat some minutes? Either way I expect Miller will do what it takes to put the best team together next season.
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Post by: Little George on June 19, 2019, 08:51:57 PM
Basketball highlights


Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on June 21, 2019, 06:34:17 PM
Now the question  with b.will is what's the situation with him  it sounds to me like he won't be playing this year  so the question is  he retiring from basketball  an going to school  or maybe surgery an missing year but it does sound like he will not be playing this year an Miller is looking for another player even though we are at 13 scholarships  already so someone has to  leave or lose there scholarship  sounds like it will be willams .
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on June 24, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
https://twitter.com/TheeBWill/status/1143242662637477889

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Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on June 24, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
What's this mean wild.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on June 24, 2019, 03:05:28 PM
I hope this does not mean he is leaving.
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Post by: AZCatFan83 on June 24, 2019, 03:27:20 PM
My guess would be something is up with his knee, but who knows.  This off season has definitely been different.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on June 25, 2019, 12:42:29 AM
Williams looks to be getting in a late night basketball session 👀

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Post by: arxpert on June 25, 2019, 01:27:47 PM
Hopefully he will get some good treatments with specialists and be ready to give us what he's got this year! I'd like to see him stick around as long as possible he seems like a good guy. Hope Sean gets him an internship after his degree too!
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Post by: Bkatt on June 25, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
We seriously need Brandon to be healthy!
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Post by: WILDBeaker on June 25, 2019, 11:25:55 PM
Brandon Williams was seen practicing hard with Ira Lee at Mckale at about 230pm and told people on IG that his knee is doing great.
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Post by: 01Cats on June 26, 2019, 12:10:03 AM
Great to hear Wild!
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Post by: jumpinjohnny on June 26, 2019, 04:56:07 AM
April 2020--To infinity and beyond!
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Post by: Bkatt on June 26, 2019, 06:28:41 AM
Brandon Williams was seen practicing hard with Ira Lee at Mckale at about 230pm and told people on IG that his knee is doing great.

I'm so confused!
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I don't know what this means but I am hoping for something good.
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Post by: Jdmarti on June 26, 2019, 11:56:31 AM
If his knee is good time to cancel tae weaver  visiting.
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Post by: GoCatZ on July 02, 2019, 10:10:36 AM
So, WILD has posted a bunch of pics of the players working out with Miller at RHJ Gym. There was one pic with BWILL in a hudle, but not one pic of him actually participating in the basketball workout. Either they are purposely excluding him from the pics or he is not really playing ball. I'd bet it's the latter. I hope I'm wrong & the next batch of pics shows him running with Nico & Green. Crossing my fingers.
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Post by: Jdmarti on July 02, 2019, 10:20:44 AM
I took it as he was practicing  because he was on the court with rest of team.
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Post by: Little George on July 02, 2019, 10:47:26 AM
I took it as he was practicing  because he was on the court with rest of team.

We don't know the details, but if the staff is seriously looking to bring in Puff, there is a reason. Something there.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 02, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
Like that he is coming back as one of few shreds of continuity and stability we have left. Hope he has an amazing sophomore year. 

No one really knows for certain that the new kids are actually any better (shall we review all the past similar recruiting rankings that busted?) but honestly, after last year, a wholesale change of starters with Jeter and Wiliams off the bench is what I am hoping for.

Williams is not a great PG, BB IQ is not super high, he is not individually gifted as a shooter or athlete, he's not fast, does not create his own shot much better than an average PAC12 player,  he is not explosive nor creative. He does not shoot super well. His assist to TO ratio is entirely forgettable - he does not have the true PG gene. If Williams is our future at PG, we're not going anywhere as a program. 

Williams is a good back up at Arizona and frankly appears to be at or near his ceiling. It is just not a huge loss if he were to go or needed a medical redshirt year (which, of course, would mean an early declaration for the draft, along with the other 600 guys who declare every year now and have zero chance of ever playing 1 minute in the NBA) .
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Tucsandman on July 02, 2019, 12:26:21 PM
It could be that BWill is participating in a limited fashion. Maybe they are just working him cautiously. Perhaps while others are on the court, he's riding a bike...who knows. Def looks like he's not involved in the contact part of things though.
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Post by: WILDBeaker on July 11, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
📍Cali...
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 11, 2019, 11:01:48 PM
He is leaving us then to home is it a transfer.
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Post by: Bkatt on July 12, 2019, 02:51:29 AM
📍Cali...

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Honestly, I have no clue as to what you are trying to say. But if it's something bad, that second gif would be appropriate.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 12, 2019, 08:34:27 AM
I have no idea but I took it that willams has left the team an has gone home to cali.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: wildcatinthewoods on July 12, 2019, 09:58:39 AM
Like that he is coming back as one of few shreds of continuity and stability we have left. Hope he has an amazing sophomore year. 

No one really knows for certain that the new kids are actually any better (shall we review all the past similar recruiting rankings that busted?) but honestly, after last year, a wholesale change of starters with Jeter and Wiliams off the bench is what I am hoping for.

Williams is not a great PG, BB IQ is not super high, he is not individually gifted as a shooter or athlete, he's not fast, does not create his own shot much better than an average PAC12 player,  he is not explosive nor creative. He does not shoot super well. His assist to TO ratio is entirely forgettable - he does not have the true PG gene. If Williams is our future at PG, we're not going anywhere as a program. 

Williams is a good back up at Arizona and frankly appears to be at or near his ceiling. It is just not a huge loss if he were to go or needed a medical redshirt year (which, of course, would mean an early declaration for the draft, along with the other 600 guys who declare every year now and have zero chance of ever playing 1 minute in the NBA) .

This statement is sooo wildly unaccurate. Williams is as close to his cieling are you are getting positive Karma on this forum. Kid has tons of room to grow. It's like you're watching a completely different team.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: eggdog on July 12, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
Like that he is coming back as one of few shreds of continuity and stability we have left. Hope he has an amazing sophomore year. 

No one really knows for certain that the new kids are actually any better (shall we review all the past similar recruiting rankings that busted?) but honestly, after last year, a wholesale change of starters with Jeter and Wiliams off the bench is what I am hoping for.

Williams is not a great PG, BB IQ is not super high, he is not individually gifted as a shooter or athlete, he's not fast, does not create his own shot much better than an average PAC12 player,  he is not explosive nor creative. He does not shoot super well. His assist to TO ratio is entirely forgettable - he does not have the true PG gene. If Williams is our future at PG, we're not going anywhere as a program. 

Williams is a good back up at Arizona and frankly appears to be at or near his ceiling. It is just not a huge loss if he were to go or needed a medical redshirt year (which, of course, would mean an early declaration for the draft, along with the other 600 guys who declare every year now and have zero chance of ever playing 1 minute in the NBA) .

The biggest loss is that we're going to be really thin at the back up pg spot. Hazzard can fill in but he's better suited at the sg. But counting on a guy with his injury history who missed 6 games and was day to day the second half of the season would not be fun either. Hopefully we can find someone to replace him if he can't play.
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Post by: Liquidated on July 12, 2019, 11:17:12 AM

This statement is sooo wildly unaccurate. Williams is as close to his cieling are you are getting positive Karma on this forum. Kid has tons of room to grow. It's like you're watching a completely different team.

Can't teach or magically create talent.

Plain and simple - Wiliams is the next Jordan Mayes, or, in four years MAYBE Kadeem Allen, but he is not the next Mike Bibby or Damon Stoudamire. We need final four talent. Williams is not it. No one on the entire team (last year) is...Jeter might be a good back up. 

 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 12, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
Williams was the second or third best player on the 8th best team in the worst power five conference in history. 

Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: wildcatinthewoods on July 12, 2019, 01:18:12 PM
Dude you are just flat our wrong. It's fine to call him injury prone but to call him untalented is just not correct. When healthy he was easily our best player last year. No one on this site agrees with your assumption you just spew nonsense.
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Post by: arxpert on July 12, 2019, 02:01:24 PM
Nico will hold down the PG spot for 30+ minutes per game this year whether anyone likes it or not (unless foul trouble). I don't care what system Sean Miller has run in the past. He will ride his one and done ferraris into the ground this year and make a big national statement. Nico is a superstar and could start at PG today in the NBA.

Brandon Williams - Get better however and whenever you want.
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Post by: hamster on July 12, 2019, 03:05:43 PM
Nico will hold down the PG spot for 30+ minutes per game this year whether anyone likes it or not (unless foul trouble). I don't care what system Sean Miller has run in the past. He will ride his one and done ferraris into the ground this year and make a big national statement. Nico is a superstar and could start at PG today in the NBA.

How many points, rebounds, and assists do you expect Nico to average
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: AzHoops24 on July 12, 2019, 03:15:55 PM
17
4rbs
6
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Post by: Jdmarti on July 12, 2019, 04:58:44 PM
I actually agree with nico  on those points  rebounds an assist.
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Post by: hamster on July 12, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Arxpert said he thinks nico will average 25/10, 22/9 minimum. Just trying to point out how unrealistic that is.
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Post by: Jdmarti on July 12, 2019, 07:07:06 PM
17/5/6 for nico
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Post by: Liquidated on July 13, 2019, 10:43:39 AM
Dude you are just flat our wrong. It's fine to call him injury prone but to call him untalented is just not correct. When healthy he was easily our best player last year. No one on this site agrees with your assumption you just spew nonsense.

I am not calling him injury prone...I know he was injured, but it was one single injury as I recall and a long/partial recovery. I am not being mean to him because he was injured. 

But there are simple realities here that are NOT nonsense.

1. Coleman lead the team in assists, assist to TO ratio and steals. Coleman was, empirically, a better point guard. He should have been, senior vs. freshmen. That is understandable.

2. Randolph had higher over all points, more per game, more per 40 minutes, a better over all FG% and for most of the season, a better 3 point shooting percentage (even though it was miserable). Randolph was a better 2 guard. 

3. Jeter lead the team in rebounds and was the second highest point leader and also our only big man. In that regard, more critical than any guard.

SO...there are AT LEAST three players better than, more important to the team than, Williams. Williams had the worst FG% (.377) on the team, with the sole exception of Smith. Looking at other marginal, alleged 'PG/combo guard' talents at AZ:  PJC = .428, Gabe York = .414, Mark Lyons = .420.... wanna compare assist to TO ratios?

And that is on the 8th best team in the worst power five conference in history. So our best players...sucked. He may have been the star of a terrible recruiting class...

In a Vacuum: Williams has a 31.3 3point shooting % (that is NOT AZ good), his other stats were equally mediocre. Williams is just not all that good - thats is not me spewing nonsense, that is plain, simple, empirically derived fact.


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Post by: Jdmarti on July 13, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
I am convinced in some capacity  willams will not be on team this that's the way it sounds that's a big blow to the team I know he would thrive playing with nico an Josh  unless Miller can find another player we will only have 10 scholarship players that's without any injuries occurring  they be careful when we play the beavers  considering  Jeter is prone to injury. Can't afford injury to nico or max  I think Miller could use another pg. Or a wing.
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Post by: ChrisZona on July 13, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
Dude you are just flat our wrong. It's fine to call him injury prone but to call him untalented is just not correct. When healthy he was easily our best player last year. No one on this site agrees with your assumption you just spew nonsense.

I am not calling him injury prone...I know he was injured, but it was one single injury as I recall and a long/partial recovery. I am not being mean to him because he was injured. 

But there are simple realities here that are NOT nonsense.

1. Coleman lead the team in assists, assist to TO ratio and steals. Coleman was, empirically, a better point guard. He should have been, senior vs. freshmen. That is understandable.

2. Randolph had higher over all points, more per game, more per 40 minutes, a better over all FG% and for most of the season, a better 3 point shooting percentage (even though it was miserable). Randolph was a better 2 guard. 

3. Jeter lead the team in rebounds and was the second highest point leader and also our only big man. In that regard, more critical than any guard.

SO...there are AT LEAST three players better than, more important to the team than, Williams. Williams had the worst FG% (.377) on the team, with the sole exception of Smith. Looking at other marginal, alleged 'PG/combo guard' talents at AZ:  PJC = .428, Gabe York = .414, Mark Lyons = .420.... wanna compare assist to TO ratios?

And that is on the 8th best team in the worst power five conference in history. So our best players...sucked. He may have been the star of a terrible recruiting class...

In a Vacuum: Williams has a 31.3 3point shooting % (that is NOT AZ good), his other stats were equally mediocre. Williams is just not all that good - thats is not me spewing nonsense, that is plain, simple, empirically derived fact.




Well a couple things here. First of all I always felt like fans overhyped Williams he was a talented top 50 recruit but he wasn't some one and done type talent fans were making him out to be. Understandable given he was our first top recruit in some time to not be some legitimate five star top 15 recruit but I already had the feeling he was going to disappoint to some extent given the expectations. And while his percentages weren't to impressive those are pretty common statlines from your non-elite freshman especially given his usage (2nd in shots attempted).

And while I agree Jeter is the most important player returning for next year. BW was clearly the most talented player on last years roster and most important guard in conference play he lead the team in points (11.7) shooting a respectable 41%/39% from 3 especially compared to Randolph (33%/26%) and Coleman (32%/32%). And those numbers likely would have been better if he didn't go down right when he finally started to find his flow. Probably not an NBA player but definitely a productive college player and future pro somewhere if his knees allow it.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 13, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
I am convinced in some capacity  willams will not be on team this that's the way it sounds that's a big blow to the team I know he would thrive playing with nico an Josh  unless Miller can find another player we will only have 10 scholarship players that's without any injuries occurring  they be careful when we play the beavers  considering  Jeter is prone to injury. Can't afford injury to nico or max  I think Miller could use another pg. Or a wing.

I hope Williams returns and has a great year - for exactly the reasons of depth and continuity. I just don't think he (or anyone from last years team) is 'critical'.

Despite the 80 kids each year who come and go...this goes back to recruiting and retention. It's not the one and done all-star all-everything's that are the issue. Its the journeymen...guys we used to know as the Buechlers and Womacks the Davisons and McLeans. Now, those type of guys either bust, don't come or don't stick around and that, IMO, is a coaching and leadership issue. How many PG's in ten years?

Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: arxpert on July 13, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
If Nico averages 17pts 4ast per game he will probably not even be a 1st round pick. Maybe late 1st round at best. He would not be a 1 and done. So make up your minds already. I think he is a superstar. You guys clearly think he is mid tier in college which makes him probably not anything to write home about in the NBA.
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Post by: ChrisZona on July 13, 2019, 10:52:58 PM
Darius Garland was the #5 pick after playing only 5 games averaging 16/2 against inferior competition, Coby White was the #7 pick averaging averaging 16/4, Ty Jerome was the #24 pick averaging 13/5. Stats and your draft selection have no correlation. If he averages an efficient 17/4 he's likely in the lottery. 
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Post by: Jdmarti on July 14, 2019, 12:45:35 AM
17 ppg 5 reb 6 assist.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Bear on July 14, 2019, 05:14:31 AM
I could see those types of numbers show up OoC but not when conference play starts. Just not from a freshman point guard under Miller. I fully expect Miller to give Nico more leeway but at some point it will get reigned in. I could see 15/5/5 and that would be a great success at the point.

Williams is better than Randolph regardless of his first year stats. I wish he would have played a lot more point last year.  Understandable that he would sit behind Nico this year if he is of limited capacity but I would hope he would make it a really difficult position to win if he wasnít.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: arxpert on July 14, 2019, 07:15:54 AM
Garland's stats averages went way down when he logged a game with 2 points and 0 everything else for blowing out his knee in 2 minutes.
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Post by: ChrisZona on July 14, 2019, 08:02:29 AM
Even then it only adds up to 19 and 3 against teams like Winthrop, Alcorn State, and Liberty. But the point is he got drafted that high even despite the knee injury and only playing 5 games. Scouts are already very high on Mannion he could potentially not play a single minute and still get the lottery. A couple of lotto guys from last years draft to compare numbers with Collin Sexton 19/3, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 14/5.
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Post by: Liquidated on July 14, 2019, 10:03:50 AM
Cam Reddish averaged 13 ppg on team with 2 lottery picks. I suspect he is better than 13 ppg and he was the 10th pick on the 1st round.

And the comment about Miller's system... I am sure scouts have some sort of compensation for different systems, especially ones that so severely limit talent like Miller does. 


Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: arxpert on July 16, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
I'll just mark down everyone here who thinks Nico is going to be a bust then. 14-15ppg would mean Nico can't shoot/score from lack of talent. Doesn't seem like many people in this thread believe Nico is a superstar.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: hamster on July 16, 2019, 10:16:30 AM
I'll just mark down everyone here who thinks Nico is going to be a bust then. 14-15ppg would mean Nico can't shoot/score from lack of talent. Doesn't seem like many people in this thread believe Nico is a superstar.

Tell us what you think he will average
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 16, 2019, 10:56:13 AM
With Arizona's incoming depth, I think 14 PPG is more than enough to land Nico in the NBA lottery.

Here is a VERY preliminary projection of what our roster could produce if we averaged 80 PPG (note that I was lazy & didn't use decimals):

Mannion - 14 PPG
Williams - 7 PPG
Hazzard - 6 PPG
Green - 13 PPG
Smith - 6 PPG
Doutrive - 2 PPG
Gettings - 6 PPG
Lee - 8 PPG
Nnaji - 6 PPG
Koloko - 2 PPG
Jeter - 10 PPG

This projection would assume that all of our returning players' average PPG decrease from last season.  There's a lot of love to go around & I couldn't envision anybody on this roster putting up 18+ points...but I'd be ecstatic if they did!

BTW, this is the type of depth that wins National Championships.  I bet everybody on this site would have a different idea of how the points would be distributed...which means that this team will be scary.  See ya in Hotlanta.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on July 17, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
BWill's latest tweet is 2 pair of eyes. It is emoji day, so I think he's just trolling everyone with this tweet.

https://twitter.com/TheeBWill/status/1151582430676975616
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 17, 2019, 06:10:24 PM
I was hoping it meant something really hoping we know soon about b.will situation  until then I will keep waiting.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on July 17, 2019, 09:47:22 PM
After posting the tweet with the 2 pair of eyes Williams posted a pic on IG of him driving to the basket in a game against HBU last season with no caption or description.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 17, 2019, 11:00:46 PM
B.will likes to play with our emotions   I hope that means he can play next season.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Bob A on July 18, 2019, 05:16:30 AM
Iím personally tired of all these cryptic emojis these guys are all sending out(he tweeted out a comma and an apostrophe.  What can it possibly mean?).  I hope Brandon is happy and healthy and can play this year, but Iím not going to waste any time wondering what two eyeballs means.  Weíll see what happens in October I guess.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 18, 2019, 06:28:33 AM
He toyed with everybody when he decommitted and recommitted.  I just it's just his personality.

Fortunately, we have other options at PG/SG if he is unable to play in Tucson this year.  I personally hope that he returns to the program because he is extremely versatile as a combo guard.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: wildcatinthewoods on July 18, 2019, 08:22:24 AM
He toyed with everybody when he decommitted and recommitted.  I just it's just his personality.

Fortunately, we have other options at PG/SG if he is unable to play in Tucson this year.  I personally hope that he returns to the program because he is extremely versatile as a combo guard.

Not sure what you're talking about here because we have no other options at backup PG if Williams leaves. We would be super fucked. Nico can't play 40 minutes. Are you referring to Hazzard playing point? Cause he would be worse than PJC.

Our whole season is super fucked if Williams doesn't play. That's a fact.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 18, 2019, 09:06:26 AM
I'm confident that Nico will get 30+ minutes.

Green, Hazzard, Doutrive & Smith can share duties of bringing the ball up the court for 10 MPG.  I'd be nervous if we had to break the press, but I wouldn't consider this team "****ed".

B-Will is obviously valuable & I'm hoping that if he can play...he stays healthy for the entire year.  Really wish Barcello hadn't bailed.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Little George on July 18, 2019, 09:08:22 AM
Yea, but he had not bailed we would not have DD. Hazzard may have to play some PG at times.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: hamster on July 18, 2019, 09:46:52 AM
Green, Hazzard, Doutrive & Smith can share duties of bringing the ball up the court for 10 MPG.  I'd be nervous if we had to break the press, but I wouldn't consider this team "****ed".

Hazzard is capable, but if those other 3 guys are bringing the ball up for a quarter of the game, we are absolutely fucked.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Teamgame on July 18, 2019, 11:10:48 AM
Serious question Hamster have you ever played organized Basketball? Sometimes the statements you make me question your basketball IQ. I canít remember a single positive comment coming from you. Your second only to Liquidated in the regard.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 18, 2019, 11:32:08 AM
I think Hazzard can fill the void for a few minutes per game, but I don't know how he's better than the others at handling the ball.

Max's career A:TO ratio is 1.37:1.  Not stellar for a guy who played a majority of his games against mid-major competition.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 18, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
He toyed with everybody when he decommitted and recommitted.  I just it's just his personality.

Fortunately, we have other options at PG/SG if he is unable to play in Tucson this year.  I personally hope that he returns to the program because he is extremely versatile as a combo guard.

Not sure what you're talking about here because we have no other options at backup PG if Williams leaves. We would be super fucked. Nico can't play 40 minutes. Are you referring to Hazzard playing point? Cause he would be worse than PJC.

Our whole season is super fucked if Williams doesn't play. That's a fact.

WHAT?!

Seriously? A marginal, four star recruit with a decent handle and unimpressive assist to TO ratio who led AZ to its worst finish in conference since before Lute.

Why can't Nico play 40 mins? Or 38? Oh yea, because our coach is an idiot and substitutes like he has the attention span of a coke addict at John Belushi's house on March 5, 1982 (I had to look that up).

Hazzrd was, numerically, far superior to Williams in a conference that was not all that much weaker than the and PAC12 and he has 4 years experience. He shoots better, assist better and has more experience. Hazzard >> Williams.

Would gladly trade Williams for PJC, 7 days a week and twice on game days. PJC has the PG gene. Williams does not. End of argument.

We are loaded with guards. Doutrive would be fine at the point (his skill set is roughly the same as Williams). So would Smith - he's always had a decent handle and we don't need him to shoot much. For 2-5 minutes per game, we'll be fine.

We're NOT F'ed by any one player (including Nico) not being available. We're F'ed because Miller can't behave ethically, can't coach the modern game, can't grasp simple analytics & can't recruit or retain quality players other than the one and dones. So yes, we are F'ed, but not because of Williams. His availability or unavailability is the absolute least of our worries.

Que theme from Jaws.....cut to shark fin moving through the water with the letters 'NCAA' written on it. 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: hamster on July 18, 2019, 01:13:16 PM
Serious question Hamster have you ever played organized Basketball? Sometimes the statements you make me question your basketball IQ. I canít remember a single positive comment coming from you. Your second only to Liquidated in the regard.

Yes and I've played at a pretty high level. DM if you care for more info.

You question my basketball knowledge because I've posted negative things? Well sorry buddy, the world will not be kind to your snowflake mentality if you need everyone to speak in a manner that makes you warm and fuzzy inside. Other opinions exist, get over it.

And why don't you respond to the actual argument? I'm saying if Smith/Doutrive/Green are handling a portion of 10mpg at pg, Arizona is in bad, bad shape. If you disagree, then maybe it's your bball IQ that needs questioning.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: hamster on July 18, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
I think Hazzard can fill the void for a few minutes per game, but I don't know how he's better than the others at handling the ball.

Max's career A:TO ratio is 1.37:1.  Not stellar for a guy who played a majority of his games against mid-major competition.

That actually goes against what you were saying about us being ok at backup PG, though. When Nico's not on the court, we essentially don't have a PG.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 18, 2019, 01:19:15 PM
I think any of them can fill the position for a limited period of time, but I don't see how Hazzard is that much better than the rest.

Green seems like a solid ballhandler, Doutrive has a quick first step and Smith is a Senior.  Hopefully it isn't similar to the days when Nic Wise gets in foul trouble and the team is screwed...
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: hamster on July 18, 2019, 01:34:15 PM
I think any of them can fill the position for a limited period of time, but I don't see how Hazzard is that much better than the rest.

Green seems like a solid ballhandler, Doutrive has a quick first step and Smith is a Senior.  Hopefully it isn't similar to the days when Nic Wise gets in foul trouble and the team is screwed...

Agreed that Hazzard isn't much better of an option than the other three, but he is the most natural ball handler of them.

Green is a good ball handler for a wing, but the problem with all of them is decision making. DD and Smith are both very turnover prone and have frequently made questionable decisions with the ball. Green is great at pushing the ball in transition, but he's not the type of ball handler who is reliable enough to take the opposing team's on ball pressure for a meaningful amount of minutes. I cringe at the idea of any of them handling backup pg duties.

I would say we generally lack guys that can attack off the dribble outside of Nico and Josh, which is why losing Bwill really hurts. He was really good at attacking the rim and either dishing or getting to the FT line.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: ChrisZona on July 18, 2019, 02:45:39 PM
WHAT?!

Seriously? A marginal, four star recruit with a decent handle and unimpressive assist to TO ratio who led AZ to its worst finish in conference since before Lute.

Why can't Nico play 40 mins? Or 38? Oh yea, because our coach is an idiot and substitutes like he has the attention span of a coke addict at John Belushi's house on March 5, 1982 (I had to look that up).

Hazzrd was, numerically, far superior to Williams in a conference that was not all that much weaker than the and PAC12 and he has 4 years experience. He shoots better, assist better and has more experience. Hazzard >> Williams.

Would gladly trade Williams for PJC, 7 days a week and twice on game days. PJC has the PG gene. Williams does not. End of argument.

We are loaded with guards. Doutrive would be fine at the point (his skill set is roughly the same as Williams). So would Smith - he's always had a decent handle and we don't need him to shoot much. For 2-5 minutes per game, we'll be fine.

We're NOT F'ed by any one player (including Nico) not being available. We're F'ed because Miller can't behave ethically, can't coach the modern game, can't grasp simple analytics & can't recruit or retain quality players other than the one and dones. So yes, we are F'ed, but not because of Williams. His availability or unavailability is the absolute least of our worries.

Que theme from Jaws.....cut to shark fin moving through the water with the letters 'NCAA' written on it.

I guess in a perfect world where players don't wear out and get hurt then hell yeah lets run Nico out there for 40 minutes but in reality we need at least another quality point guard to help out Mannion. Hazzard is supposedly the better shooter but his (40%/35% from 3) shooting in Big West play was worse than Williams numbers in conference (41%/39% from 3) and his 2.1 ast and 1.6 assist to TO is considerably worse than Williams 3.4 ast/ 1.9 assist to TO. Williams is clearly the better point guard and that was as true frosh without many scoring weapons around him and there are likely no better options available which makes his health even more vital.

I do agree with you on Doutrive I think he could be capable of playing some point if needed his handle is solid and he did show flashes of his playmaking ability particularity in the fast-break. But the half-court is where he would struggle and his 18 assists and 17 turnovers doesn't really install much confidence when talking about letting someone run the point for even 5-8 minutes. And the minute Smith runs point would be the moment the season is officially over.



Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 18, 2019, 03:06:02 PM
Hard to argue that anybody on the roster is a capable long-term backup.

Doutrive plays his ass off, which generally leads to mistakes.  My hope is that he shows significant improvement as a sophomore and plays with patience.

Same expectations with Smith.  As a Senior, he SHOULD hold back on taking contested jumpers and shouldn't turn the ball over in 1-on-1 situations.

Sucks that this wouldn't be an issue if Barcello had returned.  Despite his consistency from beyond the arc, he's an ideal backup PG (if B-Will misses significant time).
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 18, 2019, 03:07:18 PM
Hamster any news on b.will on his situation.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 18, 2019, 03:10:18 PM
The only difference between dd  an Smith is dd has the chance to improve where Smith is what he is an it is his 5th year in collage an I dont think his ball handling will improve much or at all.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 18, 2019, 03:13:00 PM
That's one thing that drove me crazy last year is Smith taking contested 3s from beyond 3 line  he needs to take open shots from there.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 18, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
I know one thing I dont want Smith handling the ball much or  bringing it up the court he  is sloppy  with the ball.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 18, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
I know one thing I dont want Smith handling the ball much or  bringing it up the court he  is sloppy  with the ball.

The numbers show otherwise.

Williams 732 minutes, 46 TO's = 0.0628/m
Smith 780 minutes, 53 TO's = 0.0679/m
Doutrive 285 minutes, 17 TO's = 0.0596/m

Hazzard 976 minutes, 47 TO's = 0.0481/m


Williams had a much better A:TO, but in terms of number of turnovers...not really much difference between him and Smith. And with a (theoretically) more potent offense, anyone and everyone's assist numbers should go up.
Hazzard is not a super strong assist guy either..but he has a much better handle.

Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Teamgame on July 18, 2019, 06:00:00 PM
DD will be fine handling the point, if needed for 4-7 minutes of game time. It would be insane to play Nico 35 minutes a game, as a freshman. He wonít be playing against high school talent or against 18 year old kids.Hamster-let me guess your going to tell some story how you played D-1 basketball. Itís not that you speak negatively itís that itís constant. Your opinion/perspective is yours to have. As for the snowflake comment- FU!
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: wc on July 18, 2019, 06:28:40 PM
DD is a wing player, putting him at point is not an option.  Let him do what he does well, don't force him into a role he is not cut out for.  As for anyone worried about his defense, he is the one player I am not concerned about.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Bear on July 19, 2019, 05:29:19 AM
Miller is not going to run the same way when Nico is out and this 10 minutes arenít all going to be in one shot where we are losing significant ground.  Itís not going to matter who brings the ball up as long as they arenít throwing it away in that 8-10 seconds. 

I can see DD having an expanded role but running the half court sets is unlikely. As unfortunate as last year was, Smith was a big part of that.  Unless Hazzard wows us, Smith is still going to be a big part of that 10 minutes. Swinging the ball for an entry pass and watching the play develop from the perimeter is likely the majority of their time at point.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 19, 2019, 01:06:01 PM
Miller is not going to run the same way when Nico is out and this 10 minutes arenít all going to be in one shot where we are losing significant ground.   


I think you make a mental mistake here - that is easy to make. You assume Miller will do the most obvious basketball coach move and adjust his tactics to fit his personnel like any sane, rational coach would. Like it would tell you to in Basketball Coaching for Dummies, if there were such a book. Like Lute Olson did and he was maybe on of the greatest masters of that approach of all time. But we have not played 1 single GD minute that way in ten, long, dismal years. Took me 7 years to figure out that Miller would never change and never adjust and another year to accept it, but I have. It's who he is. 

Miller sees no difference in Nico and Doutrive and Smith and Randolph and Mayes and York and Momo and every other guard he has ever had. If you and I were on that team and played guard, he would substitute us in and expect us to do exactly the same thing that anyone else does. No sets will change, no defense will adjust, nothing. THEY ALL HAVE TO PLAY EXACTLY THE SAME ROLE. That is Miller's philosophy and it never, ever changes. He never adjusts to fit his personnel. NEVER. He had Ayton for god's sake and used him exactly the same as Ristic and Zeus. He boxed Markannen into a corner and destroyed him psychologically rather than let him dominate the way he could have. He destroyed the creativity of Simons, took sure thing lottery picks Trier, Ashley and Zeus and turned them into neutered, un-drafted players all in the name of them fitting into whatever box he wants for each position. 

Coach K adjusted too much last year to his personnel and depended too much on 1 player. But at least he tried. Izzo, Altman, Self, Williams, Few, almost any good coach you can name ....they ebb and flow with their teams, use their players strengths and do different things with different lineups. Not Miller, he's just gonna keep pounding his head against the cinder block walls at McKale. Expecting different results would be insanity. 

 

 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: wildcatinthewoods on July 19, 2019, 05:49:05 PM
We get it dude, you don't like Williams for some reason. But what you fail to comprehend is you are the only one. We all love him. You are absolutely the only one that would prefer Hazzard or PJC to Williams at point. It makes me question rather you actually know what you're talking about or you just like to rile people up.

No Nico can't play 40 minutes. Injuries happen, fouls happen. the kid is a freshman. We need a competent and capable PG to back Nico up. Hazzard, DD, can not do it and no Smith can not freaking do it that's laughable. So yes losing really our only option at backup PG would be a season killer.

You love your damn statistics so much well here you go. Williams was averaging 13.8 points and 3.5 assists in Pac-12 play before his injury, upping his shooting percentages to .436/.400/.836.

That is the Williams we are expecting. That is why we think you're a fool when you say he has hit his peak. He was tearing up the beginning of PAC 12 play and he wasn't the same afterwards. He may never be the same but that doesn't mean he's talentless as you say,  but if we can get the Williams back before he was injured he is absolutely our best option at point when Nico is not in and that is without question.

You surround him with actual talent rather than the temp players we had last year and he will blossom.

And ya by the way if we don't have Nico the season would be over before it even began. You speak such nonsense.

Point guard is the most important position on the floor you see what happens when miller has good point guards IE: TJ. Then you see what happens when we have bad PG's basically every other season. Nico and Williams would be best tandem Miller has ever had and we need that rather you agree or not the rest of wildcat fans do.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 19, 2019, 06:42:09 PM
And stop giving credit to Coach K for blowing his season with one of the most talented rosters in basketball history.

He ran a zone because he was too lazy to teach freshmen how to defend...and they failed.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 19, 2019, 08:29:33 PM
And stop giving credit to Coach K for blowing his season with one of the most talented rosters in basketball history.

He ran a zone because he was too lazy to teach freshmen how to defend...and they failed.

Brilliant response--and the truth to boot.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
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Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: hamster on July 21, 2019, 12:23:50 PM
interesting
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on July 21, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
What's this mean by the old pic of b.will driving the ball.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 22, 2019, 12:28:29 AM
We get it dude, you don't like Williams for some reason. But what you fail to comprehend is you are the only one. We all love him. You are absolutely the only one that would prefer Hazzard or PJC to Williams at point. It makes me question rather you actually know what you're talking about or you just like to rile people up.

No Nico can't play 40 minutes. Injuries happen, fouls happen. the kid is a freshman. We need a competent and capable PG to back Nico up. Hazzard, DD, can not do it and no Smith can not freaking do it that's laughable. So yes losing really our only option at backup PG would be a season killer.

You love your damn statistics so much well here you go. Williams was averaging 13.8 points and 3.5 assists in Pac-12 play before his injury, upping his shooting percentages to .436/.400/.836.

That is the Williams we are expecting. That is why we think you're a fool when you say he has hit his peak. He was tearing up the beginning of PAC 12 play and he wasn't the same afterwards. He may never be the same but that doesn't mean he's talentless as you say,  but if we can get the Williams back before he was injured he is absolutely our best option at point when Nico is not in and that is without question.

You surround him with actual talent rather than the temp players we had last year and he will blossom.

And ya by the way if we don't have Nico the season would be over before it even began. You speak such nonsense.

Point guard is the most important position on the floor you see what happens when miller has good point guards IE: TJ. Then you see what happens when we have bad PG's basically every other season. Nico and Williams would be best tandem Miller has ever had and we need that rather you agree or not the rest of wildcat fans do.

I don't dislike Williams - why would you say that? He's just not a great BB player and not AZ good. I like Ira Lee, too, same deal. So you like the four star guy who led us to 8th place in the pac 12? That's cool. I'm just hoping for something better.

Williams is no more of a point guard than Smith or Doutrive or anyone else on last years team. He's just not. Another classic Miller combo guard - jack of all trades, master of none.

PJC had the gene was my point, Williams does not. I would prefer Hazzard just based on his stats, I have never seen him play and you will note that I wrote options solely about empirical data. Based on previous posts in this very thread, pretty sure there are some who would prefer Hazzard. Again I only prefer him because he hangs on to the ball better.

We've had several elite players play close to 40 minutes per game over the years.

If you surround Williams with talent, he will become the only 'temp' player. We had an entire team of them - he was not much better than anyone else. Randolph was on fire for a while..

The season IS over before it begins. IF, at the end of the year, we flame out - lose to lower seed early in the tourney or fail to make the tourney  - then how about you admit that Miller sucks and/or over hyped talent never lives up to expectations, especially under Miller.

So because I am not part of the groupthink - my opinion is not valid. It should be just the same as everyone else's? Your notion of consensus here does not reflect the ideas or attitudes of many people I know


 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 22, 2019, 06:33:43 AM
Why is the Miller's level of success always hinged upon losing to a lower seed?

Coach K has lost more than 20 times to lower seeds in the tournament (including losses to #11 BC, #9 Eastern Michigan, #10 Providence, #11 VCU, #15 Lehigh, #14 Mercer and a couple 7-seeds).

To the point, Williams takes care of the ball.  Since his major injury in HS, he hasn't lived up to his "scoring" potential, but he will be an amazing backup PG/combo guard on a team that should have an opportunity to go deep into the tourney.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: wildcatinthewoods on July 22, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
We get it dude, you don't like Williams for some reason. But what you fail to comprehend is you are the only one. We all love him. You are absolutely the only one that would prefer Hazzard or PJC to Williams at point. It makes me question rather you actually know what you're talking about or you just like to rile people up.

No Nico can't play 40 minutes. Injuries happen, fouls happen. the kid is a freshman. We need a competent and capable PG to back Nico up. Hazzard, DD, can not do it and no Smith can not freaking do it that's laughable. So yes losing really our only option at backup PG would be a season killer.

You love your damn statistics so much well here you go. Williams was averaging 13.8 points and 3.5 assists in Pac-12 play before his injury, upping his shooting percentages to .436/.400/.836.

That is the Williams we are expecting. That is why we think you're a fool when you say he has hit his peak. He was tearing up the beginning of PAC 12 play and he wasn't the same afterwards. He may never be the same but that doesn't mean he's talentless as you say,  but if we can get the Williams back before he was injured he is absolutely our best option at point when Nico is not in and that is without question.

You surround him with actual talent rather than the temp players we had last year and he will blossom.

And ya by the way if we don't have Nico the season would be over before it even began. You speak such nonsense.

Point guard is the most important position on the floor you see what happens when miller has good point guards IE: TJ. Then you see what happens when we have bad PG's basically every other season. Nico and Williams would be best tandem Miller has ever had and we need that rather you agree or not the rest of wildcat fans do.

I don't dislike Williams - why would you say that? He's just not a great BB player and not AZ good. I like Ira Lee, too, same deal. So you like the four star guy who led us to 8th place in the pac 12? That's cool. I'm just hoping for something better.

Williams is no more of a point guard than Smith or Doutrive or anyone else on last years team. He's just not. Another classic Miller combo guard - jack of all trades, master of none.

PJC had the gene was my point, Williams does not. I would prefer Hazzard just based on his stats, I have never seen him play and you will note that I wrote options solely about empirical data. Based on previous posts in this very thread, pretty sure there are some who would prefer Hazzard. Again I only prefer him because he hangs on to the ball better.

We've had several elite players play close to 40 minutes per game over the years.

If you surround Williams with talent, he will become the only 'temp' player. We had an entire team of them - he was not much better than anyone else. Randolph was on fire for a while..

The season IS over before it begins. IF, at the end of the year, we flame out - lose to lower seed early in the tourney or fail to make the tourney  - then how about you admit that Miller sucks and/or over hyped talent never lives up to expectations, especially under Miller.

So because I am not part of the groupthink - my opinion is not valid. It should be just the same as everyone else's? Your notion of consensus here does not reflect the ideas or attitudes of many people I know

Dude you're a crazy person. Williams started the season with a 40/0 assist to turnover ratio. He was forced to be a combo guard because of Coleman. He always looked better and more confident with the ball in his hand. And again his assist to turnover ratio was wonderful before his injury.

He is Arizona good. You just don't even give him a damn chance. Again no one on these chat boards agrees with you about williams. And PJ could have the gene all he wants he still wasn't as you say Arizona good. Williams is 10 times better.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 22, 2019, 01:21:58 PM
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Why is the Miller's level of success always hinged upon losing to a lower seed? Coach K has lost more than 20 times to lower seeds in the tournament (including losses to #11 BC, #9 Eastern Michigan, #10 Providence, #11 VCU, #15 Lehigh, #14 Mercer and a couple 7-seeds).

From the very first time Coach K lost to a lower seed and until the very last time he did....how many championships did he win? How many Final Fours? That is the point. Lute lost to lower seeds, but then he also over achieved.  I thinkMiller over achieved early - but not a single season since Williams left can be defined as 'over achievement'.

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To the point, Williams takes care of the ball.  Since his major injury in HS, he hasn't lived up to his "scoring" potential, but he will be an amazing backup PG/combo guard on a team that should have an opportunity to go deep into the tourney.

So he got injured in HS and hasn't lived up to his scoring potential but he's the reason we can go deep into the tournament? Seriously? Williams is fine as back up, which I said earlier...but he's not Jason Terry off the bench on a national championship team. He's just not. 

And if it's 3-5 minutes per game that Mannion can't play...any guard with a decent handle can take those minutes...likely with the same results. 

 


 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 22, 2019, 01:31:35 PM
DUKE
2013-2014 - Losses to Mercer in first round
2014-2015 - Beats Wisconsin to win national championship

ARIZONA
2015-2016 - Lost to 11 seed Wichita
2016-2017 - Lost to 11 seed Xavier
2017-2018 - Lost to 13 seed Buffalo
2018-2019 - Did not make the tournament

See the difference?
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 22, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Lute was 62 years old when he won his ONLY championship.  Give Miller 12 more years & we'll see if he can match that mark...I bet he does (if he stays in Tucson).

Coach K was at Dook for 11 seasons before he won the first championship.  Miller is there now.  Again, it isn't typical for coaches under the age of 50 to win titles at the highest level.

Dook made it to the '94 national championship...then went 13-18 (missed tourney), 18-13 (first round exit) and 24-9 (2nd round exit).  Should Coach K have been fired for losing to a #10 seed Providence when they were the likely favorite to beat Arizona & make the Final Four in '97?  Nope.  Fans were patient...and it paid off.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 22, 2019, 05:36:21 PM
Lute was 62 years old when he won his ONLY championship.  Give Miller 12 more years & we'll see if he can match that mark...I bet he does (if he stays in Tucson).

Coach K was at Dook for 11 seasons before he won the first championship.  Miller is there now.  Again, it isn't typical for coaches under the age of 50 to win titles at the highest level.

Dook made it to the '94 national championship...then went 13-18 (missed tourney), 18-13 (first round exit) and 24-9 (2nd round exit).  Should Coach K have been fired for losing to a #10 seed Providence when they were the likely favorite to beat Arizona & make the Final Four in '97?  Nope.  Fans were patient...and it paid off.

The age argument is a strong one that I made in defense of Miller several years ago. Absolutely right, he is just now entering an age window when most coaches go to their first final four (with very, very few exceptions). And if Miller was recruiting and retaining better (other than the elite recruits), if there had not been a landslide of corruption, ncaa violations, investigations...etc... and if Miller was a better, more flexible more innovative in game coach or had just shown any sign at all of evolving as a coach over an entire decade - then my arguments would be specious (and would not be being made by me).

Specific to the age argument: Arizona is not a school where we should hope to develop a BB coach. The coach hired should be ready to go at an elite level. We are (or were) a blue blood.

As and aside, consider this: Pastner is barley 41 and he's been a HC for 11 years. He might suck now, but he's literally got a 20 year head start on most coaches for a power five type job. Interesting.

 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: arxpert on July 23, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
Why is the Miller's level of success always hinged upon losing to a lower seed?

Coach K has lost more than 20 times to lower seeds in the tournament (including losses to #11 BC, #9 Eastern Michigan, #10 Providence, #11 VCU, #15 Lehigh, #14 Mercer and a couple 7-seeds).

To the point, Williams takes care of the ball.  Since his major injury in HS, he hasn't lived up to his "scoring" potential, but he will be an amazing backup PG/combo guard on a team that should have an opportunity to go deep into the tourney.

Liquid suffers from a parasite that makes him think Arizona is a blue blood program when we are in fact a Powerhouse program. There is a difference. There are levels to this.

One or 2 baskets made (meaning 3 final 4s --- Uconn/Wisco/Wisco) and Liquid would consider Miller an Elite top 6 coach (behind his precious Coach K, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Coach Cal). Flash in the pan Final 4 runs don't count as consistent Liquid.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 23, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
True.  '97 is the one year that Arizona shouldn't have done anything in the postseason.

Beat up the 3 basement schools in the Pac-10 as our only 3 conference road wins (ASSU/OSU/WSU) and didn't win convincingly in any of the 6 tourney games (lucky to get by Providence, Charleston, USA, etc.).

Glad Lute pulled off the miracle because Arizona would still be considered the one major "powerhouse" that couldn't seal the deal if it weren't for Miles Simon.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on July 23, 2019, 12:59:42 PM
 
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Liquid suffers from a parasite that makes him think Arizona is a blue blood program when we are in fact a Powerhouse program. There is a difference. There are levels to this.

Sure...just note that Lute, over a 20 year period, won more games than any D1 coach and went to as many Final Fours as anyone, except for coach K. Arizona, as a program has the best winning percentage over a 10 year period in the nation. If that is not 'blue blood', then no one was for that same period. 

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One or 2 baskets made (meaning 3 final 4s --- Uconn/Wisco/Wisco) and Liquid would consider Miller an Elite top 6 coach (behind his precious Coach K, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Coach Cal).

That is like saying if that if some MLB player hit 100 home runs in one season I would consider him the greatest home run hitter of all time. Yes, of course, I would. So would everyone else on the planet. But a guy who hit 30 in a season is NOT that guy, even if ALL the fans think he is and "If he'd had just 1 or 2 easier pitches in each game..." is not an argument that supports the assertion.

Specific to AZ, its more like 5 or 6 baskets. And the open looks and possibility of making them would have come with coaching adjustments. Kaminsky had one fault, he did not run the floor well. All we had to do was run. But you can't do that when you play the pack line so close to the basket. Loose one game that way...sure. But the second one...well you make an adjustment. Had he done that and still lost, I would consider him a far better coach.

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Flash in the pan Final 4 runs don't count as consistent Liquid.

I have no idea what this means. Az was as consistently in the final four as anyone over a 20 year period. I can't recall the exact number of years but there were something like 16 straight recruiting classes who all participated in at least 1 final four while at AZ. Those were exactly the opposite of 'flash in the pan'.

Also, ANY Final Four is an achievement, THE achievement in college hoops.
 
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: KansasCityCats on July 23, 2019, 02:18:29 PM
I respectful disagree. A National Championship is the only prize. Final Fours are consolation prizes where players get free Xboxes. Great publicity, but not much of a step up from conference championship(s).

Blue blood (by definition) is old enough to be passed from generation to generation. 20 years is not large enough of a sample size to move beyond Elite status.

Also, Iím pretty sure Miller is Top-5 in wins since arriving in Tucson. Similar to Lute, thatís the foundation of a program, but not the way to earn blue blood status.

Weíll get there one day.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: arxpert on July 25, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
Gonzaga is a blue blood by Liquid's definition.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on August 05, 2019, 11:39:07 AM
25 after the work day & 17 before the next is when we can talk about it.  Until then BearDown.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: BearDown12345 on August 05, 2019, 12:11:28 PM
What are you talking about wildcat?
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Jdmarti on August 05, 2019, 05:32:32 PM
I would love to understand this  trying to figure this out.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: DWIZZ on August 05, 2019, 10:52:35 PM
All the members trying to figure out WILD's code

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Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Dirty Dancer on August 05, 2019, 10:59:59 PM
I assume Work Day is labor day if I were trying to decipher the code, college basketball practices usually start late September so the time frame works out. They are likely withholding an announcement on a redshirt because of some bylaws or trip that Bwill could be excluded from, but thats just a guess
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on August 06, 2019, 01:06:33 AM
Gonzaga is a blue blood by Liquid's definition.

I don't think a single final four is qualifications for being a blue blood...

but Arizona was or no one was.
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: Liquidated on August 06, 2019, 01:07:13 AM
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Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WildcatInUK on August 06, 2019, 02:54:55 AM
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The Red-Blue Game is 27 September... 25 days after Labor Day (2 September) and 17 days before Columbus Day (14 October).
Title: Re: Just talked to Brandon Williams & he told us he is staying at Arizona!
Post by: WILDBeaker on August 06, 2019, 07:03:00 AM
Pryme was the first to decode this, but I'm impressed with all that could figure it out.

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