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I actually agree with nico  on those points  rebounds an assist.

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Arxpert said he thinks nico will average 25/10, 22/9 minimum. Just trying to point out how unrealistic that is.

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17/5/6 for nico

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Dude you are just flat our wrong. It's fine to call him injury prone but to call him untalented is just not correct. When healthy he was easily our best player last year. No one on this site agrees with your assumption you just spew nonsense.

I am not calling him injury prone...I know he was injured, but it was one single injury as I recall and a long/partial recovery. I am not being mean to him because he was injured. 

But there are simple realities here that are NOT nonsense.

1. Coleman lead the team in assists, assist to TO ratio and steals. Coleman was, empirically, a better point guard. He should have been, senior vs. freshmen. That is understandable.

2. Randolph had higher over all points, more per game, more per 40 minutes, a better over all FG% and for most of the season, a better 3 point shooting percentage (even though it was miserable). Randolph was a better 2 guard. 

3. Jeter lead the team in rebounds and was the second highest point leader and also our only big man. In that regard, more critical than any guard.

SO...there are AT LEAST three players better than, more important to the team than, Williams. Williams had the worst FG% (.377) on the team, with the sole exception of Smith. Looking at other marginal, alleged 'PG/combo guard' talents at AZ:  PJC = .428, Gabe York = .414, Mark Lyons = .420.... wanna compare assist to TO ratios?

And that is on the 8th best team in the worst power five conference in history. So our best players...sucked. He may have been the star of a terrible recruiting class...

In a Vacuum: Williams has a 31.3 3point shooting % (that is NOT AZ good), his other stats were equally mediocre. Williams is just not all that good - thats is not me spewing nonsense, that is plain, simple, empirically derived fact.


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I am convinced in some capacity  willams will not be on team this that's the way it sounds that's a big blow to the team I know he would thrive playing with nico an Josh  unless Miller can find another player we will only have 10 scholarship players that's without any injuries occurring  they be careful when we play the beavers  considering  Jeter is prone to injury. Can't afford injury to nico or max  I think Miller could use another pg. Or a wing.

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Dude you are just flat our wrong. It's fine to call him injury prone but to call him untalented is just not correct. When healthy he was easily our best player last year. No one on this site agrees with your assumption you just spew nonsense.

I am not calling him injury prone...I know he was injured, but it was one single injury as I recall and a long/partial recovery. I am not being mean to him because he was injured. 

But there are simple realities here that are NOT nonsense.

1. Coleman lead the team in assists, assist to TO ratio and steals. Coleman was, empirically, a better point guard. He should have been, senior vs. freshmen. That is understandable.

2. Randolph had higher over all points, more per game, more per 40 minutes, a better over all FG% and for most of the season, a better 3 point shooting percentage (even though it was miserable). Randolph was a better 2 guard. 

3. Jeter lead the team in rebounds and was the second highest point leader and also our only big man. In that regard, more critical than any guard.

SO...there are AT LEAST three players better than, more important to the team than, Williams. Williams had the worst FG% (.377) on the team, with the sole exception of Smith. Looking at other marginal, alleged 'PG/combo guard' talents at AZ:  PJC = .428, Gabe York = .414, Mark Lyons = .420.... wanna compare assist to TO ratios?

And that is on the 8th best team in the worst power five conference in history. So our best players...sucked. He may have been the star of a terrible recruiting class...

In a Vacuum: Williams has a 31.3 3point shooting % (that is NOT AZ good), his other stats were equally mediocre. Williams is just not all that good - thats is not me spewing nonsense, that is plain, simple, empirically derived fact.




Well a couple things here. First of all I always felt like fans overhyped Williams he was a talented top 50 recruit but he wasn't some one and done type talent fans were making him out to be. Understandable given he was our first top recruit in some time to not be some legitimate five star top 15 recruit but I already had the feeling he was going to disappoint to some extent given the expectations. And while his percentages weren't to impressive those are pretty common statlines from your non-elite freshman especially given his usage (2nd in shots attempted).

And while I agree Jeter is the most important player returning for next year. BW was clearly the most talented player on last years roster and most important guard in conference play he lead the team in points (11.7) shooting a respectable 41%/39% from 3 especially compared to Randolph (33%/26%) and Coleman (32%/32%). And those numbers likely would have been better if he didn't go down right when he finally started to find his flow. Probably not an NBA player but definitely a productive college player and future pro somewhere if his knees allow it.

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I am convinced in some capacity  willams will not be on team this that's the way it sounds that's a big blow to the team I know he would thrive playing with nico an Josh  unless Miller can find another player we will only have 10 scholarship players that's without any injuries occurring  they be careful when we play the beavers  considering  Jeter is prone to injury. Can't afford injury to nico or max  I think Miller could use another pg. Or a wing.

I hope Williams returns and has a great year - for exactly the reasons of depth and continuity. I just don't think he (or anyone from last years team) is 'critical'.

Despite the 80 kids each year who come and go...this goes back to recruiting and retention. It's not the one and done all-star all-everything's that are the issue. Its the journeymen...guys we used to know as the Buechlers and Womacks the Davisons and McLeans. Now, those type of guys either bust, don't come or don't stick around and that, IMO, is a coaching and leadership issue. How many PG's in ten years?

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If Nico averages 17pts 4ast per game he will probably not even be a 1st round pick. Maybe late 1st round at best. He would not be a 1 and done. So make up your minds already. I think he is a superstar. You guys clearly think he is mid tier in college which makes him probably not anything to write home about in the NBA.

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Darius Garland was the #5 pick after playing only 5 games averaging 16/2 against inferior competition, Coby White was the #7 pick averaging averaging 16/4, Ty Jerome was the #24 pick averaging 13/5. Stats and your draft selection have no correlation. If he averages an efficient 17/4 he's likely in the lottery. 

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17 ppg 5 reb 6 assist.

 





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