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If last season's record was vacated, nobody could complain about finishing with the worst record in 36 years because "it never happened".

Let's throw out last season & go on probation!

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I guess I’m still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we’ve been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson’s own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I’m sure they’ll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country’s whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

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I guess I’m still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we’ve been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson’s own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I’m sure they’ll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country’s whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

 most likely a failure to monitor which is a level two offense.

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I guess I’m still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we’ve been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson’s own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I’m sure they’ll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country’s whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

There is absolutely no consistency when it comes to the NCAA so who knows. Looking at the violation structure we could get anything from a level one violation to level four. Reading the descriptions of the violations I'd say we're at about a level 3 without knowing the details of what Phelps did, which sounds like it could fall under academic fraud, but what little I've heard is that it wasn't major and we self reported to be safe while all the other stuff was going on.

If they hit us with academic fraud, lack of institutional control or unethical or dishonest conduct that's level one but their description of a level one violation doesn't seem like it applies to us: Violations that seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws, including any violation that provides or is intended to provide a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage, or a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit.

They lay everything out here:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/new-violation-structure-introduced
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I guess I’m still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we’ve been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson’s own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I’m sure they’ll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country’s whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

There is absolutely no consistency when it comes to the NCAA so who knows. Looking at the violation structure we could get anything from a level one violation to level four. Reading the descriptions of the violations I'd say we're at about a level 3 without knowing the details of what Phelps did, which sounds like it could fall under academic fraud, but what little I've heard is that it wasn't major and we self reported to be safe while all the other stuff was going on.

If they hit us with academic fraud, lack of institutional control or unethical or dishonest conduct that's level one but their description of a level one violation doesn't seem like it applies to us: Violations that seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws, including any violation that provides or is intended to provide a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage, or a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit.

They lay everything out here:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/new-violation-structure-introduced

Book's activities likely fall under the 19.1.1 Severe Breach of Conduct (Level I Violation) for (d) Individual unethical or dishonest conduct. His activities were obviously unethical and dishonest... he's going to jail because of them. One could make a strong argument that he seriously undermined the integrity of the NCAA model. BUT, there wasn't any impermissible benefits, illegal recruiting, or competitive advantage, so I don't see punishment related to competition or recruiting (scholarships or post season). I bet we'll get probation because of it.

Fortunately for us, there's no indication of a violation related to eligibility or impermissible benefits, or ANYTHING that gave Arizona any kind of advantage in recruiting or competition. I also assume that Miller and the University have their bases covered when it comes to compliance ... they'll be able to argue that Books actions occurred in such a short time frame and in such extreme secrecy that no compliance program would've been able to detect them. Essentially, unless the UA had the ability to monitor electronic communications (it doesn't), it was impossible to detect Book's activities. Once his activities were discovered, the University took immediate action to discipline him (fired him), and cooperated fully with law authorities and the NCAA.

Also, compared to other programs with eligibility issues (Louisville, Kansas, NC State, Auburn, Miami, OK State, perhaps even Oregon, Utah, and Washington), I don't think Arizona's predicament is all that dire. But, The media (which makes money off of certain programs) is trying to build pressure to scapegoat Arizona. Hopefully Arizona lawyers are ready.

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https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1139532727575695360

This is true and NOT true!

True that the NCAA is politically motivated and CORRUPT to the core as MONEY is the root cause of their unjust control!
Not true because actually Bush the player said he knew the family was receiving benefits. The difference between Bush and Newton was that Newton lied about it and said he did not know. Now both Bush and Newton are smart enough to know that MONEY was coming from somewhere. NO player was paid by Arizona or anyone within the program. This story is BS!

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Book's activities likely fall under the 19.1.1 Severe Breach of Conduct (Level I Violation) for (d) Individual unethical or dishonest conduct. His activities were obviously unethical and dishonest... he's going to jail because of them. One could make a strong argument that he seriously undermined the integrity of the NCAA model. BUT, there wasn't any impermissible benefits, illegal recruiting, or competitive advantage, so I don't see punishment related to competition or recruiting (scholarships or post season). I bet we'll get probation because of it.

Fortunately for us, there's no indication of a violation related to eligibility or impermissible benefits, or ANYTHING that gave Arizona any kind of advantage in recruiting or competition. I also assume that Miller and the University have their bases covered when it comes to compliance ... they'll be able to argue that Books actions occurred in such a short time frame and in such extreme secrecy that no compliance program would've been able to detect them. Essentially, unless the UA had the ability to monitor electronic communications (it doesn't), it was impossible to detect Book's activities. Once his activities were discovered, the University took immediate action to discipline him (fired him), and cooperated fully with law authorities and the NCAA.

Also, compared to other programs with eligibility issues (Louisville, Kansas, NC State, Auburn, Miami, OK State, perhaps even Oregon, Utah, and Washington), I don't think Arizona's predicament is all that dire. But, The media (which makes money off of certain programs) is trying to build pressure to scapegoat Arizona. Hopefully Arizona lawyers are ready.

We have a good idea of what Book did and while it was a violation that doesn't seem like it would lead to anything serious. Now I'm most concerned with the Phelps academic situation and the allegations about Pasternack (which also came from Dawkins who is completely unreliable).
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The story below gives just a glimpse of how paying players in NCAA football is the much bigger story. The NCAA just sits back and turns a blind eye. LSU is already in trouble basketball wise and now this for the football team? Now a booster has paid 180k to players dad.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1142235244533309441

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Chuck Person gets NO Jail time! Wow

Book Richardson should've gotten the same sentence with No jail time. Person took 91k and what Book took was chump change. Total BS!! #FreeBook

https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/1151545969001017344

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Mr Fake News himself comes out of hiding to write an article on Auburn expecting a notice of allegation in hoops. Does this mean they will be next? It would be good for us if they are as it would give us even more of an idea of what to expect with assistant coach Person's being in the same boat as Book.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27213787/auburn-expects-notice-allegations-hoops

 





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