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Re: CBS updated preseason rankings have Arizona at #15 🏀
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2019, 11:48:13 AM »

You sound like someone who is scared we might actually be REALLY good next year

I think I addressed my fears (corruption, unethical behavior, NCAA violations, Indictments, players bargains, firings...etc.) pretty well above and the last thing anyone will ever have to worry about is that Miller will ever have any real success in the tournament.

If we are actually 'REALLY good' next year I will be happy. I will always support Arizona basketball which is why I cannot (and no one ever should) ever support Miller again. It is a moral and ethical choice at this point. Do the right thing.




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Re: CBS updated preseason rankings have Arizona at #15 🏀
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2019, 01:21:30 PM »
All this drama about Armstrong I think we may be better off without him if he's not going to honor his LOI. I wonder if that means Randolph or Smith might be staying or if they would be back if he de-committed? It doesn't seem like our greatest need at this point if either of those two return. Of all the incoming players I've seen highlights and clips of he seems like the biggest project. It looked like his high school played really weak competition and he didn't dominate like he should have with his height and athleticism. From what I've seen he's not also not a good shooter and can't create for himself. Most profiles on him say he's a project and could help us out down the road but Miller has proven year after year he can get guys when we need them.

If he does come that's great of course and hopefully I'm wrong about him but I'd have him at third on the depth chart at the 3 spot.

1 - Nico Mannion, Alex Barcello
2 - Brandon Williams, Max Hazzard
3 - Josh Green, Devonaire Doutrive, Terry Armstrong (Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith)
4 - Ira Lee, Stone Gettings
5 -Chase Jeter, Zeke Nnaji, Christian Koloko

I think you are optimistic with Lee at the 4 as a starter. He definitely got a lot better as the season progressed, probably our most improved, but our front line is so undersized, we will some height and even a vastly improved Ira Lee is a liability. I bet we see Nnaji start before PAC12 season begins just for the height factor - he looks the most ready for D1 of any recruit other than Mannion. 

I know nothing of Stone Gettings other than the fact he is 6'8" and was a starter for Cornell. Not much to go on there, but again, I think we're gonna need more height.
I agree, about 95% here.
Miller seen how small we were last season with RL/IL at PF, and I donít believe he will make that same mistake regardless of how strong IL improved down the stretch.
ZN starting gives us two 6í10 Fs that we can swap to our advantage.
SG is practically a Stretch PF who SHOULD be playing SF, but canít handle the athleticism.
IL is good and will be a spark, but I believe he would be better suited coming off the bench right now.
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Re: CBS updated preseason rankings have Arizona at #15 🏀
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2019, 02:33:04 PM »
All this drama about Armstrong I think we may be better off without him if he's not going to honor his LOI. I wonder if that means Randolph or Smith might be staying or if they would be back if he de-committed? It doesn't seem like our greatest need at this point if either of those two return. Of all the incoming players I've seen highlights and clips of he seems like the biggest project. It looked like his high school played really weak competition and he didn't dominate like he should have with his height and athleticism. From what I've seen he's not also not a good shooter and can't create for himself. Most profiles on him say he's a project and could help us out down the road but Miller has proven year after year he can get guys when we need them.

If he does come that's great of course and hopefully I'm wrong about him but I'd have him at third on the depth chart at the 3 spot.

1 - Nico Mannion, Alex Barcello
2 - Brandon Williams, Max Hazzard
3 - Josh Green, Devonaire Doutrive, Terry Armstrong (Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith)
4 - Ira Lee, Stone Gettings
5 -Chase Jeter, Zeke Nnaji, Christian Koloko

I think you are optimistic with Lee at the 4 as a starter. He definitely got a lot better as the season progressed, probably our most improved, but our front line is so undersized, we will some height and even a vastly improved Ira Lee is a liability. I bet we see Nnaji start before PAC12 season begins just for the height factor - he looks the most ready for D1 of any recruit other than Mannion. 

I know nothing of Stone Gettings other than the fact he is 6'8" and was a starter for Cornell. Not much to go on there, but again, I think we're gonna need more height.
I agree, about 95% here.
Miller seen how small we were last season with RL/IL at PF, and I donít believe he will make that same mistake regardless of how strong IL improved down the stretch.
ZN starting gives us two 6í10 Fs that we can swap to our advantage.
SG is practically a Stretch PF who SHOULD be playing SF, but canít handle the athleticism.
IL is good and will be a spark, but I believe he would be better suited coming off the bench right now.

I feel like if Ira could shoot the 3 ball at a consistent level he'd probably be a lock to begin the season as a starter. But based on his skillsets I think he's one of those guys that will probably always be best as a spark off the bench similar to someone like Kevin Parrom. At this point unless Zeke is just a terrible defender I see no reason why he shouldn't be starting come November just to much talent and versatility and apparently a MUCH better shooter than anticipated. 

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Re: CBS updated preseason rankings have Arizona at #15 🏀
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2019, 04:07:43 PM »
I do not share Liquidated's sentiment. Sean Miller is an elite coach and has done nothing but lead Zona back to relevance. I fully expect Miller to go with 2 bigs a la Ayton/Ristic again with Zeke and Jeter. Maybe not right away, but as the season develops. I think Ira Lee is becoming similar to Draymond Green. He improved offensively and he is a fierce and NASTY defender. He can't out rebound 7fters but he will mix it up with them. If he has a higher motor he will be one of the best defensive players in the conference by the end of the year.

Terry Armstrong fits optimally. Hopefully he comes. Without him we are either Tall and Slow or Fast and Short. Terry bridges the gap in both lineups - 

Nico/BWill/Green/Zeke/Jeter --- Too small on the wing at SF to defend properly
Nico/BWill/Lee/Zeke/Jeter --- Too big and slow, not enough scoring

Nico/Zeke/Jeter   BWill/Terry/Green mix and match all getting roles where the 6th man is playing starter's minutes is the equilibrium.  Gettings/Lee backup bigs minutes

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Re: CBS updated preseason rankings have Arizona at #15 🏀
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2019, 07:06:14 PM »
I fully expect Miller to go with 2 bigs a la Ayton/Ristic again with Zeke and Jeter. Maybe not right away, but as the season develops. I think Ira Lee is becoming similar to Draymond Green. He improved offensively and he is a fierce and NASTY defender. He can't out rebound 7fters but he will mix it up with them. If he has a higher motor he will be one of the best defensive players in the conference by the end of the year.

I don't think we'll see a 2 big line-up much with what Miller and the players have been talking about since after the season with Ayton and Ristic and how we lost that game to Buffalo. The game is changing and I'm glad he's at least talking about going more with a guard oriented line up, which is how he got Jahvon Quinerly and Brandon Williams who were both pgs to commit before everything fell apart. Agree with everything you said about Lee though. He really seemed to flip the switch the latter part of the year and wasn't overthinking and just let the game come to him. I still think he'll be our starter on day one but if we have a better option at the 4 next year that would be fantastic and our bench should be really stacked with plenty of options.
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Re: CBS updated preseason rankings have Arizona at #15 🏀
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2019, 07:18:28 AM »
Makes sense. I think we will go with both bigs at some point. Maybe toward conference play. We suffered defensively especially in rebounding when Jeter was boxed out so size will be crucial. Lot's of offense for defense subs for sure if we can get to the free throw line a lot which hopefully will be a point of emphasis.

With Terry we could literally play any style, any game, any team, any given night. Its a perfect setup for a tournament team and would play well vs out of conference opponents that have funky rosters that we don't commonly see in the Pac12. So yes I think in a game like Buffalo, we would be able to fight fire with fire this year with Terry and go smaller, but in conference we will match up better with our new found depth in the front court.

 





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