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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2019, 07:34:25 AM »
Nice stats KCC, and yes we do play quality opponents according to the metrics that rank our schedule.
We find a nice blend of elite opponents, mid-tier and the rest.
What I should have said is I want is to close the gap between the best opponent and our “worse” opponent on the schedule.
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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2019, 11:31:05 AM »
The excuses on this board are unbelievable. If you add them all together from every topic - NOTHING is ever AZ's fault or responsibility or within our control. The team could be 0-30 every year and you guys would blame everyone from ESPN to Osama Bin Ladin but it would never, ever be anyones fault at AZ. 

1. Tournaments are totally within our control. They are scheduled 1-2 years out (unlike home and home which can be a decade away). One of my favorite stories that I know, directly from the then director of basketball operations, that during the very first practice scrimmage of the 96-97 season, he took a call from the Maui Invitational. Did we want to come and play the following year? The field included Duke and Kentucky and with AZ that would likely be 3 top 10 teams. He went to Lute, watching the team scrimmage. Lute said 'no' and turned around and they both watched the team scrimmage. He said that Bibby made a couple of shots and a couple of spectacular passes and the team looked awesome. After a few minutes, Lute said - call them back and tell them we'll be there. We beat Kentucky and lost to Duke in that tournament, but won the national championship 5 months later.

The next season we played Kentucky (#11 @MSG), @Texas (#9), @UConn (#6) & Michigan State (#4) 

The next season we played Illinois (#8 - in Maui), UConn (#15), @Illinois (#5 - as scheduled), Texas (#20) - the 'weak' teams on our schedule that year: @Purdue, Gonzaga, LSU, Dayton, St Mary's (which is dangerously close to matching our current entire OOC line up).

The next season we played Maryland (#2 @MSG), Florida (#6 @MSG), @ Texas (#23), Kansas (#8), Illinois (#5) - THE FIRST 5 GAMES WERE 4 TOP TEN AND ONE TOP 25 OPPONENTS. 5 GAMES INA ROW. But thats not all!! If you order right now we'll throw in @Michiagn State (#23) and UConn (#25).

7 top 25 OOC opponents IN ONE SEASON. We have not played 7 OOC ranked opponents in the last 3 years. Maybe 5 years. Let me guess.. Lute juts got lucky and had no idea that Michigan State or UConn or Kansas or Illinois would be any good at all when we played them...

BAYLOR is NOT MICHIGAN STATE. Or Kansas or Duke or Kentucky... just stop trying to make excuses.  Baylor lost 3 starters from a team that struggled to win 20 games last year and they play in the Big 12. Drew has relied extensively on transfers and JC transfers...which is always a mixed bag. They have the 123rd best recruiting class coming - the 10th best in the big 12.  Andy Katz does have them ranked higher but notes that they will start true frosh Jordan Turner and Tristan Clark who was injured all last season - he had reconstructive knee surgery, he may or may not be the player he was once expected to be.  What, you haven't heard of Turner or Clark? That's because Turner is a 3 star, 158th best small forward in the country. Clark was a four star, the 24th best power forward. Doubt either of these could have started for AZ last year... let alone any other year. 

SB Nation has them ranked 34
The guys at the Ringer had them at 37
Parrish has them 24th on CBS and us not even ranked. Even I think we should be ranked but I understand why we aren't - being a pariah and everything.

I think they are all regurgitating the same info on Baylor and it's a canard.


PLAIN AND SIMPLE: OUR SCHEDULE SUCKS GREEN DONKEY PARTS. FOR 24 YEARS IT DID NOT. SOMEHOW IT WAS POSSIBLE TO PLAY QUALITY OPPONENTS - OUR BEST OPPONENTS NOW WERE MID TO LOW LEVEL OPPONENTS BACK THEN. SOMEHOW OTHER SHOOLS HAVE NO PROBLEM SCHEDULING JUST LIKE WE USED TO.

WHAT EVER THE F***ING EXCUSES - WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING BETTER.
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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2019, 12:48:47 PM »
Seems mundane to say we have had a great hard-core scheduling. We haven't. I am not going to get into the battle of wits about our scheduling....what I want to cover is the big-glaring-PAC-12 officials. Considered here as the worse in the NATION. Most of this is subjective and emotional but there is a theme that permeated the WEST COAST for many a year: The fact that when the teams get to the Tourney...we are use to ticky-tacky calls and we are gun-shy without a doubt and haven't a clue how to bang-it-up against a strond opponent cause the damn PAC-12 refs have trained us such that if we raise  hand we will get a penalty.  I think this has been covered ad-naseum, but something has to be done with these screwed up asswipe refs and how they call a game.
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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2019, 01:02:26 PM »
The excuses on this board are unbelievable. If you add them all together from every topic - NOTHING is ever AZ's fault or responsibility or within our control. The team could be 0-30 every year and you guys would blame everyone from ESPN to Osama Bin Ladin but it would never, ever be anyones fault at AZ. 

1. Tournaments are totally within our control. They are scheduled 1-2 years out (unlike home and home which can be a decade away). One of my favorite stories that I know, directly from the then director of basketball operations, that during the very first practice scrimmage of the 96-97 season, he took a call from the Maui Invitational. Did we want to come and play the following year? The field included Duke and Kentucky and with AZ that would likely be 3 top 10 teams. He went to Lute, watching the team scrimmage. Lute said 'no' and turned around and they both watched the team scrimmage. He said that Bibby made a couple of shots and a couple of spectacular passes and the team looked awesome. After a few minutes, Lute said - call them back and tell them we'll be there. We beat Kentucky and lost to Duke in that tournament, but won the national championship 5 months later.

The next season we played Kentucky (#11 @MSG), @Texas (#9), @UConn (#6) & Michigan State (#4) 

The next season we played Illinois (#8 - in Maui), UConn (#15), @Illinois (#5 - as scheduled), Texas (#20) - the 'weak' teams on our schedule that year: @Purdue, Gonzaga, LSU, Dayton, St Mary's (which is dangerously close to matching our current entire OOC line up).

The next season we played Maryland (#2 @MSG), Florida (#6 @MSG), @ Texas (#23), Kansas (#8), Illinois (#5) - THE FIRST 5 GAMES WERE 4 TOP TEN AND ONE TOP 25 OPPONENTS. 5 GAMES INA ROW. But thats not all!! If you order right now we'll throw in @Michiagn State (#23) and UConn (#25).

7 top 25 OOC opponents IN ONE SEASON. We have not played 7 OOC ranked opponents in the last 3 years. Maybe 5 years. Let me guess.. Lute juts got lucky and had no idea that Michigan State or UConn or Kansas or Illinois would be any good at all when we played them...

BAYLOR is NOT MICHIGAN STATE. Or Kansas or Duke or Kentucky... just stop trying to make excuses.  Baylor lost 3 starters from a team that struggled to win 20 games last year and they play in the Big 12. Drew has relied extensively on transfers and JC transfers...which is always a mixed bag. They have the 123rd best recruiting class coming - the 10th best in the big 12.  Andy Katz does have them ranked higher but notes that they will start true frosh Jordan Turner and Tristan Clark who was injured all last season - he had reconstructive knee surgery, he may or may not be the player he was once expected to be.  What, you haven't heard of Turner or Clark? That's because Turner is a 3 star, 158th best small forward in the country. Clark was a four star, the 24th best power forward. Doubt either of these could have started for AZ last year... let alone any other year. 

SB Nation has them ranked 34
The guys at the Ringer had them at 37
Parrish has them 24th on CBS and us not even ranked. Even I think we should be ranked but I understand why we aren't - being a pariah and everything.

I think they are all regurgitating the same info on Baylor and it's a canard.


PLAIN AND SIMPLE: OUR SCHEDULE SUCKS GREEN DONKEY PARTS. FOR 24 YEARS IT DID NOT. SOMEHOW IT WAS POSSIBLE TO PLAY QUALITY OPPONENTS - OUR BEST OPPONENTS NOW WERE MID TO LOW LEVEL OPPONENTS BACK THEN. SOMEHOW OTHER SHOOLS HAVE NO PROBLEM SCHEDULING JUST LIKE WE USED TO.

WHAT EVER THE F***ING EXCUSES - WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING BETTER.

You know it's 2019 right not 1997 or do you run around the grocery store shouting "Where's the Jolt and Zima?" Also you'll be happy to know we got bin Laden in 2011. Times have changed. Kentucky isn't going on the road any more and Duke hasn't scheduled a road non-conference game since 2008.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/59410/john-calipari-releases-massive-schedule-plans
https://www.12up.com/posts/6083114-incredible-stat-shows-duke-hasn-t-independently-scheduled-any-true-road-games-in-years

We would benefit from better tournaments and we're usually in the best ones but you have to be invited to those and we don't know that we're turning them down - you even said Maui called us it wasn't like Lute was setting those up. What we need is to find other partners to band together and create a classic like the one Duke, Kansas and Michigan State, Kentucky play in (the Champions Classic), which they'll play for three years. Notre Dame, Purdue, Indiana and Butler will play in the Crossroads Classic for three years as well.

Some alliances are starting to pop up to address the difficulty of non-confernece scheduling but I won't hold my breath waiting for Larry Scott to make a deal with the Big 12 or another good conference. The SEC and AAC are starting a partnership where they'll play against each other in the non-conference the next two years and mid majors are banding together so the best smaller schools will play each other because no one else will.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/sec-aac-announce-mens-basketball-scheduling-alliance-beginning-in-the-2019-20-season/
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/old-dominion/basketball/article_a5ea9b2c-f19b-5ead-9a75-b3f56cbb7327.html

It also doesn't help we don't play every pac 12 team twice any more and have missed key in conference games.

Hopefully Miller or whoever does or schedule can find other "blue bloods" to partner with but it seems like Cal and his brother at Indiana would be the most obvious choices and they're already locked up.
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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2019, 01:18:11 PM »
OOC Ranked Opponents Last Year:

Kansas: 4 ranked opponents (including ASU who later dropped out of the rankings).
Duke: 4 ranked opponents, including Texas Tech, which was unranked at the beginning of the season.
Virginia (National Champs): 2 ranked opponents, both not top-20.
Kentucky: 2 ranked opponents.
UNC: 4 ranked opponents that included UCLA, who later dropped out of the rankings.

Point is, only playing a couple or few ranked opponents in the OOC schedule isn’t uncommon among the “blue bloods”. We have one definite, two likely, possibly 3 ranked opponents in the OOC.

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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2019, 01:42:27 PM »
OOC Ranked Opponents Last Year:

Kansas: 4 ranked opponents (including ASU who later dropped out of the rankings).
Duke: 4 ranked opponents, including Texas Tech, which was unranked at the beginning of the season.
Virginia (National Champs): 2 ranked opponents, both not top-20.
Kentucky: 2 ranked opponents.
UNC: 4 ranked opponents that included UCLA, who later dropped out of the rankings.

Point is, only playing a couple or few ranked opponents in the OOC schedule isn’t uncommon among the “blue bloods”. We have one definite, two likely, possibly 3 ranked opponents in the OOC.

Our schedule is about as good as you'll see for an elite team these days, in terms of what we can actually control - I'm guessing several of the ranked opponents those teams played were part of classics/tournaments that they were invited to. If you have 90 seconds these guys do a good job breaking down what's going on with college basketball scheduling and they get in some football at the end which is having similar issues.

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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2019, 07:33:36 AM »
Exactly.  Unfortunately, "times change".  Every Wildcat fan (myself included) wants to see a home-and-home schedule full of UNC, Dook, Kentucky, Kansas, Sparty, etc.

Unless we're invited to the Champions Classic, it won't happen anytime soon...and we CANNOT be invited to the "ChampionS Classic" because we don't have multiple championships.  Even if the tournament is expanded into 8 teams, schools with ChampionS (not a single title) would be invited...like Louisville, UNC, UCLA, UCONN, Nova, etc.

Miller shouldn't settle for neutral games at MSG against Syracuse, when he could host a tournament team like NMSU at HOME for a better NET Ranking (and an additional game for fans in Tucson).

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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »
Miller shouldn't settle for neutral games at MSG against Syracuse, when he could host a tournament team like NMSU at HOME for a better NET Ranking (and an additional game for fans in Tucson).

According to Calipari he'd rather play in a neutral site in a place like MSG because he thinks it prepares his team better for the tourney - neutral site, huge arena. He thinks they lost one year in the final four because they hadn't played in a dome. I'm not sure Miller or other coaches believe the same but it makes some sense, though it sucks that schools can't get better home and home series any more.
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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2019, 03:13:34 PM »
Baylor is continuing to climb the rankings. Comes in at #7 in Goodman’s ranking ... there’s a legitimate chance we play two ... yes, (2), top 10 teams in the OOC schedule (Baylor and Gonzaga). Such a cupcake OOC.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stadium/status/1137799454705225728

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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2019, 04:06:37 PM »
Nice - and we play them there on the road. Should be a tough game.
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Re: Arizona basketball's non conference schedule is complete 👀
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