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I get that Sumlin will not be fired tomorrow. But our next coaching search needs to include a few aspects that I think have been missing.

1. We are Arizona - that means we will not get multiple five stars to commit in the same class, like USC does. We will always have to compromise at the skill positions - to get speed, we'll have to go smaller or to get size, we'll have to sacrifice speed, etc etc... So in my estimation, we need, for lack of a better term, a 'gimmick'. Tomey emphasized defense and used a defense that could rely more on speed and IQ rather than size. Rich Rod brought the read-option. Mike Leach uses his 'air-raid' at WSU. So whatever the 'gimmick' is, we need to recruit to it. Nuimatalolo has that at Navy....

2. Has to assume the title of 'Desert Fox' - in game coaching has to be well above average. Smith and Rodriguez set that bar fairy high. Tomey was excellent with the exception of just one or two short lived coordinators. Stoops and Sumlin seem to have some serious challenges all the way around.

3. Must embrace the community, happily. You can't fake that. When you are the only game in town, you need to be all in on Tucson and have lots of friends in the community. Pretty sure Tomey was the last guy to do that.

It is a slow build...but sustained 7-8 win seasons will lead to bigger and better things.
 


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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2019, 11:09:58 AM »
The only way to find the above bullet-points are:

1) Nail down a young coach that is willing to build & sustain a program from the ground-up.  Somebody like PJ Fleck or Matt Campbell...but they can't look at the "next best job".  I'd hope for a "Lute" situation, but it's hard to find somebody that couldn't be lured to USC, Texas, etc.

2) An Arizona Alum with 15+ years left to coach.  Chuck Cecil & Glenn Parker are slightly younger than Sumlin.  They are beloved by the community and has NFL experience.  Lance Briggs is new in the coaching world, but he has enough contacts that he could lure "experienced" coordinators from other programs in order to build his own foundation. 

We have plenty of ties with alumni that are currently assistants elsewhere.  I was sad to see RichRod go...and I'm even more disappointed with the results of the past 1.5 seasons because I was extremely excited about the Sumlin hire.  He still has an opportunity to redeem himself against a brutal schedule, but it's unlikely that he'll make a strong push.

I'll continue to cheer for our coaching staff, until it seems like they "don't care" about our program.  I don't see any evidence of laziness, just poor coaching thus far.  Bear Down and prove everybody wrong, Coach Sumlin!

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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2019, 12:42:02 PM »
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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2019, 02:49:41 PM »
I was also very excited to hear the news when we brought in Sumlin. We need someone with some actual passion for our team and community. People can say what they want about Stoops and RR but those guys cared a lot about the kids and the program. You could see it on their faces during the game and put around town. The stadium was full when Stoops had the team and we may not have won the conference but he was getting kids drafted.

IMO we need a young up and coming coach that has the passion to grind everyday and to invest in the community. Iíll be a fan until the end of my time but it is just hard to watch sometimes when the coach doesnít seem to care if we win or not. Especially after that Assu game last year.

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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2019, 03:38:36 PM »
I was also very excited to hear the news when we brought in Sumlin. We need someone with some actual passion for our team and community. People can say what they want about Stoops and RR but those guys cared a lot about the kids and the program. You could see it on their faces during the game and put around town. The stadium was full when Stoops had the team and we may not have won the conference but he was getting kids drafted.

IMO we need a young up and coming coach that has the passion to grind everyday and to invest in the community. Iíll be a fan until the end of my time but it is just hard to watch sometimes when the coach doesnít seem to care if we win or not. Especially after that Assu game last year.

I think Stoops should always get the benefit of the doubt, he brought us back from the abyss. I know Stoops cared and a majority of the team was upset about his firing, but, IMO, thats the way it should always be. I think Stoops just was not intellectually agile enough to figure out what he needed to do to get better. Modeling Oklahoma won't work here. I loved the hire - he came from championship teams and just seemed like he was young, hungry and dedicated. I think the rigors of the program, some awful hires (like Canales) and his personal life just ground him down.

Although they were in 2 different eras, there are two hires that fascinate me, coaches who defined their programs.

1. Penn State hired young and essentially unknown Joe Paterno in 1966. Penn State was an independent school, the coach was Rip Engle. He had a solid over all record but Penn State was never in any sort of national title hunt and the three years prior to Paterno they went; 7-3, 6-4, 5-5. Not exactly a powerhouse. Paterno made it his program and his record is incredible...against the best competition there was.

2. Virginia Tech hired Frank Beamer in 1987 and they were pretty respectable prior, going 8-4, 6-5 and 9-2-1 in the three years prior. Beamer was 2-9 his first year, 3-8 his second, but they were on heavy probation by the NCAA for recruiting violations. Beamer went 29 seasons at VT and has a career record of .662. He played at VT and never once entertained any other coaching offers.

 
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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2019, 03:48:12 PM »
A Think Skin, because the fans will not give you time to get your people in or learn the teams your are competing against.  If you don't start winning from day one they will be posting ridiculous posts on sports boards about how you should be fired.

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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2019, 09:57:39 PM »
A Think Skin, because the fans will not give you time to get your people in or learn the teams your are competing against.  If you don't start winning from day one they will be posting ridiculous posts on sports boards about how you should be fired.

OK - I think that would be fair criticism...except for the fact that you came from the SEC...you should KNOW football and if the guy ahead of you won 7 and you returned everyone and you are more talented than the program has been ion 30 years and you win 5 with a weaker schedule ...well then, you just suck. A blind idiot should have won 7 games last year, a decent coach 9 or 10. A great coach (and staff) would have won 11 or 12. Tate would be running for 200+ yards per game instead of faking injuries, Wolma would have caught 40 passes and JJ Taylor would still be leading the conference in rushing.

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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2019, 06:05:54 AM »
I don't think that Stoops cared about this program at all.  Alumni rarely came back to visit, he never interacted with fans and he was brief with the media.  I can't recall any local ads that sponsored Stoops, which is another reason that was was completely uninvolved with the community.

Even Mackovic walked by our drumline (because we practiced outside of his McKale office) and shook our hands on a regular basis.  Stoops purposely pushed the fans, band and alumni away.  He somehow thought that he was above the "shmoozing", and that he would land an Ohio State-ish job someday.

Sumlin may be too nice with the players.  Regardless, he'll say hi to fans on the streets.  If/when Arizona is searching for a new face of the program, they should search for somebody with a heart.

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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2019, 06:58:48 AM »
It is a quandry.  If you want a great team, you have to get a great coach who can get a great staff and great players.  Or, you have to be able to find a young coach who is going to be great...and then wait.  You have to wait until he can convince great players to come here, and great staff as well.  Picking a young coach who doesn't have/won't have bad habits/problems...who will be able to recruit and then knows how to still succeed after injuries, personnel problems, etc., is a little harder than to find a great coach who wants to come to Arizona.  The great  coach problem is a little easier...you just have to be willing to shell out the big dollars.  Shopping on a budget won't get it done.  Since I know very little about football...this is all I can think of to help get an Arizona team which can play great for more than a couple of games a year.  Simply put you've got to have the combination...great coach, staff, and players.  Get those and the rest should work itself out. 

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Re: What are the characteristics needed for a successful AZ FB coach?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2019, 08:54:15 AM »
I believe the key to getting a good if not great coaching staff is first hiring a young up and comer from a major school where they were the DC or OC.  Stoops was actually the right fit but the wrong guy.  But you have to admit he could recruit and put a fair number of players into the NFL.  Additionally this coach has to have recruiting ties to Texas and the west.  RR one major problem was he had no connections to that area. Finally, we have to stay away from retreads.  Guys like Sumlin who received a huge payout to leave his previous job and then gets a guaranteed contract.  We need to have an incentive based contract based on wins, bowl eligibility, academic, etc.  My experience in hiring top executives is the one that shy away from those kinds of contracts don't have the confidence or the leadership to obtain the necessary objectives. 

 


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